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srankmissingnin
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So basically you think a healing factor makes you a god, is what your saying?


Compared to Captain America? Yes.


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Compared to Captain America? Yes.
Of course. I mean a man that could never even hurt/touch Captain America, makes him a god compared to Captain America.
What you seem to be ignoring right now, is that the man would still have human duribility.
Cap would one punch him.
A healing factor doesn't negate damage as it happens, he just heals faster.

However Sabertooth has good duribility.


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Those scans show wolverine with an upper hand in the first fight, the second, didnt really seem to go anywhere but a stalemate. Both were out their primary weapons and injured. It never went to one side or the other...

Cap is a remarkable fighter with enough stupidity to not quit and a shield that a godblast from Thor couldnt even dent. This fight really comes down to who gets first blow. If cap can get that shield to sabertooths head, it goes in caps favor, it not...cap puts up a good fight but is out muscled in the end...

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Those scans show wolverine with an upper hand in the first fight, the second, didnt really seem to go anywhere but a stalemate. Both were out their primary weapons and injured. It never went to one side or the other...
I'd think cap might disagree since his head ended up in the ground.. either way should the fight continued, cap's blood clot would have caught up to him... like it ended up doing... no expression wolverine would have healed, like he ended up doing, and cap would have ended up in the ground, like he eneded up doing.. no expression


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Originally posted by jinzin
I'd think cap might disagree since his head ended up in the ground.. either way should the fight continued, cap's blood clot would have caught up to him... like it ended up doing... no expression wolverine would have healed, like he ended up doing, and cap would have ended up in the ground, like he eneded up doing.. no expression
Oh please. You are overexaggerating the scope of the fight's outcome. The fact that Wolverine clobbered Cap from behind when he was distracted, says it all. Would you say that when Cap knocked out Wolvie in New Avenger's #6 fro mbehind when Wolvie was distracted is any indication of his win there? And as to his blood-clot, and should have the fight continued without any outside interference, Cap would have used the blade and Wolvie would be dead now.

The first set of scans that MC Hammer also posted shows half a fight. Wolverine was about to claw him, Cap was about to bring his shield around to block and fugging some 3rd interloper interrupted the fight. How can that even be a Wolvie win?

Second, I'm surprised that people consider classic Sabretooth to be worse than current Sabretooth. As far as I'm concerned classic Sabretooth took DD to task. Current Sabretooth is all about healing factor. And apparently, healing factor pwnzorz. Oops, unless you get your head cut off. Can Cap do it? Would Cap do it? He did it to Baron Blood, a frikkin vampire.

(I'm assuming this is non-adamantium laced Sabretooth. I don't know why people would question whether he has it or not. Unless I'm mistaken, I thought he only got the adamantium laced when Apocalypse gave it to him temporarily? Or has he gotten it back again since then?)

Sabes' strength and durability don't save him in this fight at all. Cap always fights people stronger than him by spades. And when you even talk about strength and durability, wth about Cap? For fug's sake, Cap was still standing after getting tackled into a brick wall at high speeds and getting pounded on by Iron Man in 'Civil War!'

Sabretooth as seen in his first fight with DD. That's classic Sabretooth and probably his most impressive showing. This is why I don't give Cap a 9/10. Because Sabretooth is not some bungling jobber animal. He's an effective killer and fighter. But no way he does better than Wolverine would. I can't believe people think that Wolverine would do worse against Cap than Sabretooth. Last time I saw Wolverine and Sabretooth fight one on one with no interference was when Wolverine owned him in X-Men #164 during the new 'Xorn' storyline.

Cap 7/10 Someone really ought to put out a Cap respect thread.


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Oh please. You are overexaggerating the scope of the fight's outcome. The fact that Wolverine clobbered Cap from behind when he was distracted, says it all. Would you say that when Cap knocked out Wolvie in New Avenger's #6 fro mbehind when Wolvie was distracted is any indication of his win there? And as to his blood-clot, and should have the fight continued without any outside interference, Cap would have used the blade and Wolvie would be dead now.

The first set of scans that MC Hammer also posted shows half a fight. Wolverine was about to claw him, Cap was about to bring his shield around to block and fugging some 3rd interloper interrupted the fight. How can that even be a Wolvie win?

Second, I'm surprised that people consider classic Sabretooth to be worse than current Sabretooth. As far as I'm concerned classic Sabretooth took DD to task. Current Sabretooth is all about healing factor. And apparently, healing factor pwnzorz. Oops, unless you get your head cut off. Can Cap do it? Would Cap do it? He did it to Baron Blood, a frikkin vampire.

(I'm assuming this is non-adamantium laced Sabretooth. I don't know why people would question whether he has it or not. Unless I'm mistaken, I thought he only got the adamantium laced when Apocalypse gave it to him temporarily? Or has he gotten it back again since then?)

Sabes' strength and durability don't save him in this fight at all. Cap always fights people stronger than him by spades. And when you even talk about strength and durability, wth about Cap? For fug's sake, Cap was still standing after getting tackled into a brick wall at high speeds and getting pounded on by Iron Man in 'Civil War!'

Sabretooth as seen in his first fight with DD. That's classic Sabretooth and probably his most impressive showing. This is why I don't give Cap a 9/10. Because Sabretooth is not some bungling jobber animal. He's an effective killer and fighter. But no way he does better than Wolverine would. I can't believe people think that Wolverine would do worse against Cap than Sabretooth. Last time I saw Wolverine and Sabretooth fight one on one with no interference was when Wolverine owned him in X-Men #164 during the new 'Xorn' storyline.

Cap 7/10 Someone really ought to put out a Cap respect thread.


Wolverine actually jumped him afterwards when cap slashed him with the sword, thats when he snapped into berserker rage, other than that wolverine had captain america beat, wolverine had already healed, captain america's leg was not going to heal and would have eventualy lead to him getting killed.

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Originally posted by jinzin
What the f**k?

the first fight cap lost.... no expression


the second fight cap needed to use multiple sneak attacks on a battle weary Logan who's healing factor's been a low percentage of what it should be since the origins and endings story arch, and had to jack the only weapon on 616 earth capible of putting Logan down permenantly with one hit just to stay competative, and EVEN THEN HE STILL got railed into the ground by wolverine...

you just kinda "owned" yourself there. erm
My friend, look. The guy said before him "when did Logan beat cap" so the guy showed Logan beating cap. So I believe he is right and you are not I'm afraid.

Look closely. He was defending Wolverine.

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Would Cap do it? He did it to Baron Blood, a frikkin vampire.



That was a great Cap comic. That shows Cap does kill if he has "NO" choise. Cap fought Blood back in WW2 and Blood even KO'ed Namor with one shot. Blood was that strong in the night of course it was a sucker shot as well though.

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Sabretooth wins.


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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Oh please. You are overexaggerating the scope of the fight's outcome.
nope cap ended up with his face in the ground: no exxaggeration there.

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The fact that Wolverine clobbered Cap from behind when he was distracted, says it all.
Not really considering that cap had to fight wolverine after the entire BEGINNINGS AND ENDINGS story arch, the arch where wolverine's healing factors been taxed to the limit to point where he's capible of being put down by a few bullets, where he hasn't sleept or eaten since beginning his crusade, where it takes him more than a few seconds to heal his fore arms. Not really, condiner the fact that he aleardy fought with nuk before that. Not really considering the fact that cap attacked wolverine from behind when the fight started, threw his shield at wolverine while wolverine was trying to explain what happened (the only reason he was even able to set up that forearm thing). Not really considering the fact that he had to jack the muramasa blade just to stay competitive. All this your fretting about wolverine getting in one hit to cap head.. please...

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Would you say that when Cap knocked out Wolvie in New Avenger's #6 fro mbehind when Wolvie was distracted is any indication of his win there?
well considering that wolverine wasn't knocked out from that, just knocked out of the way.... no.... no expression

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And as to his blood-clot, and should have the fight continued without any outside interference, Cap would have used the blade and Wolvie would be dead now.
cap DID use the blade.. wolvie isn't dead is he? had the fight continued cap would have ended up on the ground in pain.. kinda like... you know.. what happened...

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The first set of scans that MC Hammer also posted shows half a fight. Wolverine was about to claw him, Cap was about to bring his shield around to block and fugging some 3rd interloper interrupted the fight. How can that even be a Wolvie win?
cause he wasn't about to bring his shield up..he says that that's what he needs to do but the fact that he's pretty much helpless when silver face injects his neck with a syrum and he did jack shit a about it is an indication that bringing up his shield was nothing more than hopes and dreams on his part.. wolverine having cap helpless = win...

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Second, I'm surprised that people consider classic Sabretooth to be worse than current Sabretooth.
he didn't have fighting skills... at all. he had mildy enhanced strength if that, and he had absolutely no healing factor... that's not worse?

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As far as I'm concerned classic Sabretooth took DD to task.
exactly imagine what current sabes would do to the guy.

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Current Sabretooth is all about healing factor. And apparently, healing factor pwnzorz. Oops, unless you get your head cut off.
which doesn't matter in his case since weapon x gave him an adamntium skeleton a couple years back.. HOM isn't canonical.. so that's that.

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Can Cap do it? Would Cap do it? He did it to Baron Blood, a frikkin vampire.

(I'm assuming this is non-adamantium laced Sabretooth. I don't know why people would question whether he has it or not. Unless I'm mistaken, I thought he only got the adamantium laced when Apocalypse gave it to him temporarily? Or has he gotten it back again since then?)
Like I said weapon x..

read the series... or hell even in wolverine 164 they show him immediately after the surgery healing around his new admantium spine.

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Sabes' strength and durability don't save him in this fight at all.
you got it all wrong he doesn't need to be saved, cap does.

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Cap always fights people stronger than him by spades. And when you even talk about strength and durability, wth about Cap? For fug's sake, Cap was still standing after getting tackled into a brick wall at high speeds and getting pounded on by Iron Man in 'Civil War!'
lets see him do that wihen his guts are hanging out.

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Sabretooth as seen in his first fight with DD. That's classic Sabretooth and probably his most impressive showing.
most impressive showing? are you ****ing kidding me?!?! puh-lease!

you're telling me booting the boots to mrs. marvel, almost killing killpower, taking down holocaust, taking it to the entire team of x factor, dropping omega red, beating wolverine repeatidly, killing wendigo and turning him into a fur coat, KOing rogue in 3 hits, dropping pyslocke like it's a joke, curbstomping 2 of sinisters "supermen", putting generation x on the run, killing dozens of morlocks, thrashing cable, ripping shiva units apart, and blitzing through a forcefield strong enough to stop a full grown raging elephant aren't more impressive showings, than hurting daredevil a little bit?

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This is why I don't give Cap a 9/10. Because Sabretooth is not some bungling jobber animal. He's an effective killer and fighter. But no way he does better than Wolverine would.
why not? give a reason.. I mean logic says that if sabretooth>>>wolverine in 90% of their fights than he probably CAN do better than wolverine could, and frankly wolverine's beaten cap...

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I can't believe people think that Wolverine would do worse against Cap than Sabretooth.
I can... too often people... like yourself don't know enough about sabretooth, his feats, and his history with wolverine to give him his proper due respect it's pretty simple to see why they would think that.

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Last time I saw Wolverine and Sabretooth fight one on one with no interference was when Wolverine owned him in X-Men #164 during the new 'Xorn' storyline.
you mean the off panal fight where sabretooth was beaten after fighting juggernaught all night, getting blown up by gambit and bum-rushed by northstar? you mean that fight? roll eyes (sarcastic)

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Cap 7/10 Someone really ought to put out a Cap respect thread.
there already IS one.. What the f**k?


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Originally posted by FearMe
i My friend, look. The guy said before him "when did Logan beat cap" so the guy showed Logan beating cap. So I believe he is right and you are not I'm afraid.

Look closely. He was defending Wolverine.
woops my bad.... sorry MCHAMMER.... lol..


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