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Where does it say this? Isn't the UN kinda like the Gl rings? Doesn't it take a specific kind of knowlege to make it operate on higher lvls. Wouldn't reed know how to work the UN much better than quasar?
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According to the Original DC history, there was one Super Universe, more powerful than any, and krona went back and messed it up, splitting all the multiversal power packed into one universe, into the multiverse. After IC, This power was all merged back into the one. So The DCU is actually supposed to be as powerful as the multiverse. Just all in one. But there are still alternate universes. We see this when the JLA met the wild cats and the lord of time created the omniverse. we see it when captain atom went to wildstorm. We see it when the spectre passes from vertigo to dc and back. Even sandman does. So it's a little grey area. THe answer is not conclusive.
Where does it say that the universe that's "supposed" to be, is anymore powerful than a standard universe? Cause I actually covered that in my review of the Anti Monitor, and the way I see it, each of those separate universe's should have been LESS powerful than a "standard" universe.
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You have to look up the history of Krona. The AM was born out of Krona's tampering. It explicity says that Each universe was a shadow of this super universe. As we all know, Pre crisis DCU was very powerful. If this was the case, then How could they be less powerful than the standard?
I've read Crisis. It said that originally there was a single universe that got split into other universe's. And that the resulting universe's we're weaker than the whole. It never says that it was originally anything other than a standard universe, which would mean that the resulting universe's were weaker than a standard.
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IT expicitly says that each universe was weaker than the orginal. It says no where that the original universe was standard. We can extrapolate that the Orginal Universe was far superior than your "standard" universe since it was able to spawn an infinite number of very powerful universe. Or Wouldn't you agree that the marvel 616 was even to the Earth 1 universe?
No I wouldn't, because it's never covered. Unless Marvel acknowledges that the "original" DC universe was more powerful than any one of it's single universes, than it's not unless DC specifically states that the "original" universe WAS ultra powerful. But nothing like that is ever stated, only that the resulting universes were weaker than the original.
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The Spectre, Guardian of the DC Multiverse, is equal to the power of the LT. This is explicit by DC and Marvel. (Both Guardians of thier Universes/Multiverse) It is also shown that Kismet is at least equal to Eternity. Thus making each DC universe equal to each marvel universe. Which would mean that the merging of the universes would result back to the original lvl of power which has to be greater than the power of any split ones, which are shown to be equal to any one marvel reality.
When was the LT/Spectre thing ever acknowledge other than the non cannon crossover? (Where I might add, it was also acknowledged that Thanos could match the Omega Effect with his eye beams, and Storm beats Wonder Woman.)
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That same cross over has DS calling Thanos A "Pale imitation" of himself. But that really isn't relevant.
There have been other implied meetings of the LT and Spectre. The LT has talked about his hooded ally. And the fact that Kismet is shown as being at least equal to eternity, would imply that the spectre and the LT are equal. Since They are both above Eternity and Kismet. Of course I"m doing a bunch of hypothesising but this is what this forum is sense none of these characters battle or meet under our forum guidelines.
And what's the big deal about DS talking shit? He may have SAID that, but Thanos matched him.
You can be allied with someone that has less power than you. America could form an alliance with Ethiopia if it wants, that doesn't make them equal in power. Don't get me wrong, they do serve the same purpose, and both are pretty much supreme within the companies(well technically Spectre isn't since some of those imps trump him, but I'll let that slide), but LT seems to have more power overall. Purpose and power are two very different things.
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Mxy could beat The LT. As could the Ultimator. The LT has been beaten right? Doesnt' make him any less important and powerful. THE Spectre actually can be more powerful than The LT since he is the wrath of GOD. On average, he's equal to the LT.
LT got beaten by THOTU, which is basically the power of TOAA. Spectre has way more low showing than LT does. The fact that The source didn't make Spectre the second most powerful being in DC(remember all those imps), supports that LT has more power. They're purposes may be pretty much the same, but their power has been demonstrated to be different. Also about the title's, yes Spectre may be the "Wrath" of God, but in my mind that place's his status as something akin to an executioner, LT's status is that of a Judge. You know, the guy that SENDS people to the executioner.
Anyway, I have to study up for Tourney picks, but we can continue this tomorrow if you'd like(or later on tonight if I go back online).
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The Imps are beyond the LT as well. They can survive the collapse of the Multiverse. Beings like abraxas won't affect them. Didn't abraxas beat the LT? I'm not sure of this tho. The Spectre is also the judge. If you haven't noticed the panels where the spectre controlled the realities multiplied upon themselves. He shaped them and molded them. He is every bit as powerful as the the LT. Also, the Spectre is pretty much the 2nd most powerful being in the DCU. In Vertigo, Michael is the power of God (equal to the heart of the universe and lucifer is michael's equal) In this case, Lucifer and Micheal would be superior to the LT as well. In the DCU, The Source is the power of God, yet again equal to the heart of the universe. which is also superior to the LT. You have yet to show me anyone superior to the Spectre, Who isn't superior to the LT.
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