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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Quit throwing around opinions like they're solid fact.

All we know is that Despero is more powerful (presumably stronger) than regular Superman. By his feats, so is SBP. But we don't have definitive levels for either of them, so how do we "know" that SBP is more powerful??

Answer: We don't. And since Thanos usually doesn't have to push his strength limits when he slaps around heralds, we also don't know his level.

So it's pointless to try to assert things that we can't prove.

Like someone saying Thor is ten times stronger in warrior madness and had the PG and thanos beat him. I dont' remember it saying thor was ten time stronger. Thanos couldn't even go fist to fist with Champion with the PG, How would he go toe to toe with WM "ten Times" stronger thor with PG? But people throw that out there all the time.

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Uber strength God? No. Vastly above the likes of Superman? Yes...

You forget that his strength can also be fueled by the cosmic energy he commands...making it practically limitless. We are talking about a guy who has stood against the likes of Tyrant in direct strength matching.


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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Maybe you should tell everyone else that. Since everyone seems to think it's solid fact that Thanos is the Uber strength God.


And you're convined that he isn't....same problem, different sides. But he whups on heralds constantly with just strength, so it's reasonable to assume he's stronger than most of them, but we don't know by how much. I haven't seen any kind of solid evidence to suggest otherwise.


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Uber strength God? No. Vastly above the likes of Superman? Yes...

You forget that his strength can also be fueled by the cosmic energy he commands...making it practically limitless. We are talking about a guy who has stood against the likes of Tyrant in direct strength matching.


Vastly? Hmm. Superman fans would disagree. I tend to think Superman Sun amping would put him in Thanos' lvl very easily and beyond.

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Thanos couldn't even go fist to fist with Champion with the PG
You make it sound like thats easy and anyone could do it....in theory only Hulk could match the strength of the PG.


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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not going to argue the point. IF all one needed to do was fly to be able to push a planet, Iron man or the wasp could do it. So i'm done with debating about that. we have our differences of opinion.


fair enough. but ironman and wasp can't reach light speeds either. the ability to generate that level of speed means the character can generate a . . . lot of momentum and force -- momentum and force that have an origin somewher OTHER than strength. that said, there is obviously some correlation between strength and flight, but in the example flight IS necessary to achieve said feat so you'll NEVER see despero or thanos duplicate it.

of course, there has also been speculation that supes strength is based on his OWN willpower . . . so perhaps in his case the 2 are linked.


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And you're convined that he isn't....same problem, different sides. But he whups on heralds constantly with just strength, so it's reasonable to assume he's stronger than most of them, but we don't know by how much. I haven't seen any kind of solid evidence to suggest otherwise.


Are all Heralds class 100? Do they have the same lvl of endurance? Can Thanos or has Thanos ever Beaten Morg hand to hand, whom I consider above top tier in terms of strength.

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You make it sound like thats easy and anyone could do it....in theory only Hulk could match the strength of the PG.


Or Superman ( Sun amping), Or Gladiator,( confindence supreme), Or any PC Krytonian

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actually in h2h morg did a pretty good job against thanos . . .


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fair enough. but ironman and wasp can't reach light speeds either. the ability to generate that level of speed means the character can generate a . . . lot of momentum and force -- momentum and force that have an origin somewher OTHER than strength. that said, there is obviously some correlation between strength and flight, but in the example flight IS necessary to achieve said feat so you'll NEVER see despero or thanos duplicate it.

of course, there has also been speculation that supes strength is based on his OWN willpower . . . so perhaps in his case the 2 are linked.


In this you are correct. Maybe the lvl to which a character can move or carry something by flight is linked to the lvl of thier superstrength. We won't ever see Northstar or Light ray ever push a planet, no matter how fast they fly, becuz light ray is as best class 75, and Northstar is regular as far as I know. It would seem we both have half of the equation correct.

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Or Superman ( Sun amping), Or Gladiator,( confindence supreme), Or any PC Krytonian
So you think those 3 could all match the power gem for strength no matter what? No matter how long the user kept using the gem to amp their strength, those 3 would always be able to match it?


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Ok SO right now, The Exclusive Thanos club there is, Doomsday, Despero, Morg, Darksied, and Superboy prime. That's it then. The strongest Beings in comics are all villians. What about the Infinity man? HighFather? Orion is also able to go toe to toe with DS when the Mother box is gone. I still think the hulk, can go toe to toe with thanos if he is thrown into the fight thinking Thanos killed betty.


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So you think those 3 could all match the power gem for strength no matter what? No matter how long the user kept using the gem to amp their strength, those 3 would always be able to match it?


PC superman would more than likely kill anyone using the PG before they ever dreamed of reachin his lvls, and he has none. PC superman could move the universe and the writers would make it make sense. The other's are debateable as they can also have unlimted strength to draw on. Hell, Takion can match the PG blow for blow.

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actually in h2h morg did a pretty good job against thanos . . .
They didn't really go HTH though did they? Morg tackled him to the floor, tried to hit him with his axe, Thanos blocked with Terrax's axe and then ended the fight with one blast. Not much to go on there.


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In this you are correct.


oh, whew . . .

anyway, ss has gone h2h with morg, and proved his equal and superior in overall power.

ss whoops morg who has done well in the past against thanos, and yet ss gets crushed everytime against thanos. maybe there IS soemthing to the idea of a jobber aura . . .


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They didn't really go HTH though did they? Morg tackled him to the floor, tried to hit him with his axe, Thanos blocked with Terrax's axe and then ended the fight with one blast. Not much to go on there.


MOrg has always been physically, the strongest of the Heralds if I remember correctly. Even Tyrant liked morg's power.

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They didn't really go HTH though did they? Morg tackled him to the floor, tried to hit him with his axe, Thanos blocked with Terrax's axe and then ended the fight with one blast. Not much to go on there.


you may be right. i'd have to look it up. i thought the fight lasted longer than that, but i may be incorrect . . .


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you may be right. i'd have to look it up. i thought the fight lasted longer than that, but i may be incorrect . . .


Morg still has to be bad assed to Tackle Thanos to the floor. I haven't seen that too many times, if ever.

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SBP punked 30 gls

You mean that 30 GL's jobbed to SBP right? Cause it was actually established on panel that they were holding back. It's easy to hold your own against people who's goal is to capture, while your perfectly content to kill.


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oh, whew . . .

anyway, ss has gone h2h with morg, and proved his equal and superior in overall power.

ss whoops morg who has done well in the past against thanos, and yet ss gets crushed everytime against thanos. maybe there IS soemthing to the idea of a jobber aura . . .



actually thanos was only trying to contain morg. U would know that if u actually read the comic !!!!!!!!


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