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LT and Spectre were able to MERGE the Two Brothers by FORCE into ONE Universe: (please log in to view the image)
(we find out in the Next Issue, that the Living Tribunal and Spectre were the ones that MERGED the TWO Universes BY FORCE!)
"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT" (please log in to view the image)
"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"
the On Panel account clearly depicts LT and Spectre HOLDING the Brothers together by Force.
"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre, are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER " (please log in to view the image)
"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it"
"mumble jumble?"
I'm presenting On Panel Art with visualization and character statements, and you dismiss it with no contradictory proof.
When has LT been "proven inferior or equal" to others in the Multiverse?
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i guess if marvel told you that you was actually an ameba youd believe it.........oh and i dont know what you think the omniverse is sir but in definition that includes this universe i guess you believe the LT to be real i guess marvel really isnt some comic book company there actually like super gods beyond this universe pretending to be humans well i dont believe that but as you say you'll stick to what they say..............
No the first scan doesn't show that the brothers merged into one universe (multiverse whatever) by the power of the LT and Spectre it clearly states that the brothers decided to end the fight in there own way not by being forced and the reason the stopped wasn't because of LT and Spectre fighting them but because they saw something in Bruce Wayne and Captain America something unique that maked them stop.
Correct the merging wasn't the doing of the brothers but it doesn't say that LT nore Spectre Forced them into anything, but they with a last ditch effort managed to trick them into a amalgam universe. So in some sense you are right they tricked the brothers. Didn't own them, in anyway.
Mumble Jumble ??? Mr Master makes a honour in always supporting his thread with scans and well known facts and then some (I make a honour in shooting them down)
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That's at the END of the saga, what are you talking about it?
This has Nothing to do with LT and Spectre MERGING them by Force.
Which they did ON PANEL!
Were are you getting this "tricked them into an Amalgam Universe?"
On Panel they MERGED by the Living Tribunal and Spectre by FORCE!
"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT" (please log in to view the image)
"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"
"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre, are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER " (please log in to view the image)
"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it" [/B]
Why would they be struggling if the Brothers are complying with the MERGER?
With unsupported opinions, but who's counting.
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Last edited by Mr Master on Feb 6th, 2007 at 10:19 PM
Will you please read the first one of the scans you postet everything on it please: The brothers are settling the contest their OWN way ... By coming together fusing all that they are so they can coexist as one unified being: sorry doesn't see LT and SPectre doing anything to force them. We see that the Brothers fusing together and creating the Amalgam universe was a last ditch effort by Spectre and The Living Tribunal, to prevent Marvel, since DC won, from being completely obliterated.
AND THEY DIDN'T MERGE THEM BY FORCE! they tricked them and where do you get you :BY FORCE: from, and if they really could force the brothers to anything then how come LT saying in the beginning that for the first time he couldn't do anything to uphold the cosmic balance???
Oh Would you like to get the Part with Batman and Captain america again a scan perhaps that show that it is THEM not the Spectre and LT Marvel can thank for not being blow to bits.
And I give you credit I think you are a great debater I respect you even though I disagree with you. I then make a little fun and you throw it back in my face like it was a poisinous snake!
Will make these very quick come with better response tomorrow hope you can wait.
I didn't disagree with you on the brothers merging but i disagree on the way it is done.
Glad that you neither could find you force but it is IMPLYING FORCE, but still in my openion I see the Brothers tricked into merging, because if it was by force it wouldn't be nessary to make a last ditch effort to anything if they could force them. Then all would be fine.
Oh and change you statement that they owned them since they on longer used direct force but in some way you are right implying force can be many things
Clearly they didn't manipulate the brothers physically, when it is shown them hanging on the swords on the brothers while they fight but is incapable of doing anything and The Brothers unleash so much energy that spectre and LT i awred, and again you and I have either no prove if it is only one ore both of the brothers but something tells me it is only on of them he fells.
I am not a dancer I am raising this because of it showing that in the end the LT and Spectre wasn't capable of doing anything against the will of the brothers, the only way they could be stopped was if they chosed it themselves.
hmmmm i once read a comic where Myx destroyed the multiverse with bat mite if that was cannon which we dont know if it is, that would be pretty hard for LT to defeat this guy there talking about since the fifty dimension is full of guys as strong or stronger then myx, and then you have to put into fact the other universes.
*What does this have to do with the Living Tribunal's Feat?*
A lot, the feats may seem impressive at first but if you consider that the DC Universe is build in another fashion then the Marvel one those feats won't be as impressive as some DC fans may think. Such feats are predistinated to impress DC fans but only if not properly explained. So you have to explain how to compare Marvel and DC feats before comparing the power of 2 beings from differen't companies.
*And who was comparing DC and Marvel? *
LT is from Marvel and Ultimator AFAIK from DC, right? If you compare two beings from different universes with feats, without explaining how different the DC Universe, which is independent to all that Marvel may write or think, works you seemed to put the Marvel U over DC.
*And who said they were the Brothers from the DC vs Marvel garbage?*
Since only the brothers known to most of us are those from Marvel vs DC, I see a need to differ. BTW You state in another post that you indeed think so or is this just a misunderstanding?.
* those picture you showed early they where after a retcon right ???*
*Yes.
The "Brothers" only lasted 4 MONTHS in thier existence as supposed embodiments of DC & Marvel (this was Never mentioned in any other Marvel Comic Book btw)
October 1996, Marvel Comics vs DC is published (Brothers intro)
February 1997, Adventures of the X-Men (relevent issues of the series) is published. (the retcon)
In Adventures of the X-Men the Brothers are retconned into Two Marvel Megaverses.
Each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.*
Marvel can't recton the Brothers on their own, sorry to say it but this would be hilarious. "They rectonned the Brothers into 2 Marvel Megaverses, each is a collection of Multiverses, before that you talk about the Brothers from Marvel vs DC." You see, that's where misunderstandings come from.
To explain this, the Brothers from Marvel vs DC were not rectonned by Marvel (except if DC rectonned them too, which didn't happen AFAIK), those brothers LT created or help create are two differen't beings that go by the same name. Like TOAA the boss of Lt and TOAA the Celestial.
*I clearly said the Living Tribunal's is holding TWO Marvel Megaverses in his Hand.
I never said the Living Tribunal is holding DC in his Hand.
These Megaverses have absolutely NOTHING to do with DC.*
Did you change your mind? Look below, another post from you, the second part.
*you can show scans of the LT using the presance as his tea cup for all you want but thats really a load of it, he's the boss of MU thats it this omniverse stuff is getting out of hand.*
*You don't like it write a letter to Marvel and complain.
Until Marval says otherwise I'll stick with what they say.*
IIRC the Presence is a DC thing right, the counterpart to TOAA? Surely you just don't felt the need to response to this, it seems here you think differently but well one can't be sure.
*I'm just posting a FEAT courtesy of the Living Tribunal.
That's how we decide the winner of these hypothetical battles.
Yes that's right, but still, I find the need to think about the way both universes work, so I can judge and understand the feats better.
My summary;
The Marvel Universe is an Omniverse, full of Megaverses and Multiverses, it even has it's own set of Brothers (not the Brothers from DC vs Marvel)
The DC Universe is one powerful Multiverse/Universe (as they wish)
Each Companybased Universe has an "imaginary" power of say 100
Marvel decided to split it between it's omniverse. Lets say they have 100 Megaverses in this Omniverse, each gets it fair share of power, means 1.
Holding 2 Megaverses is a FEAT of 2.
DC decided to have one Multiverse (Or Universe depends) This Mutiverse gets the full power of 100. It's split into 9 (?) Dimensions (nvrbeenwthagirl would need you to explain me what Ultimator destroyed ) each dimension has a power of 100:9 = 11,11* owning 5-9 would mean the Ultimator had a FEAT of 55,55* which is a way more impressing then LT's feat . When one considers that the Anti-Monitor destroyed the whole Multiverse except 5 Universes (realities) this would be at least a FEAT of 95 .
Now I understands why the DC heroes are often Cosmic beings themselves, because DC decided to give more power into each Universe, that's why one should consider each GL, Superman, WW and all other powerhouses of the DC U superior to the Powerhouses of Marvel maybe even equal or Superior to beings like Galactus, Celestials or Eternity. Destroy a Galaxy in the DC U and it's about the same FEAT as destryoing an entire Universe in Marvel. Makes sense.
Except, if Marvel decided to put say 90% of their power into the Marvel Universe(Multiverse) giving the rest of the Megaverses and Multiverses only the remaining 10% of the power, well this would put the Marvel Universe back into the ring. Though then the LT FEAT with the two Megaverses would be just "pathetic".
*LT vs Ultimator*
That Said, I already Voted for LT because he is Spectres counterpart, even though this Megaverse feat may be "lame" he is still labeled as the second one in the food chain by Marvel.
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Yes it is. You dont' read DC much do you? Irgo the Kingdom and IC all of the elseworld's tale are actual stories. And since there is only one MXy, it is cannon to the one true mxy.
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