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Originally posted by Utrigita
And what does the scans show to be precise

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Originally posted by Mr Master
The Beyonder discovers the Prime Marvel Universe is a Multiverse!


"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
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"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

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Originally posted by Galan007
Realistically, this debate shouldn't have required anymore then this scan lol.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Some local folks have aluminum protected domes,

that do not allow simple and effective proof to be suffice.


But luckily for most of our sanity, we have others like ourselves, who see things clearly and quickly.

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Originally posted by bigbran
Hope this answers your question.
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There is no time and space. There is nothing. That is what nothing looks like, and the same thing would happen to a multiverse, or a universe, or an omniverse... except... we have several confirmations (two on the scan I just showed, way more other places... I can actually give you about five or more on-panel evidences of it being a universe) that it was indeed a universe.

Warlock was inside Atleza'a domain too when this ocurred. If Thanos had actually erased everything, then he would have ht Atleza's realm. Did Warlock get erased? Does this not answer your question?

Also, we have never been inside "nothing" really before. So how can you say it was more than a universe?

So, as it turns out, it was a universe... nothing more, nothing less. Just because nothing remained, doesn't mean squat... actually, it means just that:
NOTHING!

To teh questions:

God.

God.

If he just beat LT on-panel, then by all means, who else could threaten his reign?

Yes, single universe.

As it turns out, one of (if not) the most powerful beings in Marvel, was only universal... more proof that being multiversal means shit.

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Originally posted by bigbran
There is nothing. Nothing, no time and space.


If you were arguing against him ONLY absorbing a MULTIVERSE, then what is that you didn't say he absorbed?

Why?


Umm... because he didn't absorb everything that pertained to that universe?
What about the pocket universes? What about Mephisto's realm? What about Phoenix? What about Aunt May? What about other planets? What about Oblivion? What about the stars? What about the black holes? What about all of the Celestials? What about Entropy?
What about the little people?
The remark was more than likely said about that, other than the multiverse.

OK, evidence?
No bios that you unquestionably hate, just pure, on-panel showings. Times they mentioned things about universes, or absorbing them.
1:
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2:
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3/4:
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5:
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6:
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7:
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8:
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9:
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Usually when it is said NINE times... compared to your one speculation...

That is only looking through two comics, and a page...


What about IG, what about the Cube? Because I know that on-panel, both have been said to make him God.

What about teh multiversal Abraxas taking out teh omniversal Roma?

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Originally posted by bigbran
And, you judge this off of chessboards right?
Look Britain just destroyed a multiverse!
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Also, what issue was this "chess" being played in?




I don't know, probably the universe that Thanos only absorbed in the comic...

Also...
Eternity is being manipulated around, and yet nothing is happening to the background.
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Oh, look, at teh background.
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Teh background.
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Teh background after Eternity is gone.
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Ya, I didn't notice much difference either.


How did he get absorbed, when that was a meeting?

Also, I just just naming off random characters.


Never, but teh Jeanix was in the comic run...
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Again, just random things/characters.

Also, what exactly does Infinity represent, that would affect planets being there?


Gee... you think that GOD would have felt him in the area?


Quite.



I was just saying that the Heart didn't beat everyone in the universe.

They were there, but it still doesn't mean that everyone was there.
Also, that was just a meeting.
I saw 4 Celestials in the confrontation.
It could have actually just been 3 or 2 too.


So, what you're saying, is that Entropy just disappears right after the universe dies?


Nearly.


And... I see NO mention of a multiverse in the entire HOTU arc.

Why would you bring these up?

Boundless universe, and it still got absorbed, still means nothing.


Just like my room is a place in my house.
Point?


Now, find me Multi-Eternity anywhere in the entire HOTU run.

Oh ya... another universe claim.

Even before he had the power, he was aware of the universal destroying power.
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Teh entire UNIVERSE is rallying against him!
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So... I don't get why I am even arguing right now... I could probably bring out a couple more scans in which it says universe.


But, it was supposed to be God's power!


But, you said it was the first time.

My point is, that just because it was said to be God's power, doesn't make it so.
Cube was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?
IG was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?

No, and why should the Heart be any different?


Suggest?
The first one also says that she could have been resurrected...

Teh bios don't even straight forward support it, just "speculate" it.

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Originally posted by bigbran


Well... if your going to bring up a universe actually being a multiverse, then shouldn't you be prepared for it to backfire?
I don't agree with your theory, and I know what proof is going to come up to go against it... nipping it in the bud.




He was manipulated around and then disappeared.
Also, teh background was about the same, before and after he absorbed Eternity.

I already answered this.
It is speculation to say that he absorbed everything.

I thought you, out of anyone, wouldn't go against teh proof when it is right there in front of you.


I accused people of lying or twisting scans... after I posted the scan saying it was a universe... without teh speculation.

Everything else, is basically a different debate (since it is being dragged away from a mini comic worth of proof that it was a universe).



Is how I debate, based off the people that had actually went their to confront him, not based of teh meeting.





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Thanos said that the people he had just killed had went to Oblivion. So... LT and Eternity were actually in the same place as Thanos?



He wasn't even threatened by LT as he had pointed out, so I don't know why you are clinging to this scan so much.

T'was Thanos talking is all, and t'was also Thanos/others saying numerous times that he had only taken out a universe.
I guess Thanos/others is lying about him absorbing a universe (a couple times), and we should take the speculation as solid proof...


Or the rest from that universe?

"IT HAD to be..."
You almost have to be joking with this one...

Also, you expect me to believe that Thanos couldn't even absorb universal Death (I know what happened, so don't point it out...), but yet, he can successfully absorb the rest of the multiverse?
I guess it sounds fair...



They artistically drew them in the scan you used earlier...




So, he just blinks out?
Sounds weird...

So... what you're trying to say, is that:

Eternity, is actually a multiverse? So, what is the point of Multi-Eternity then?

Also, about that scan, he either just called it that, because of all the dimensions and stuff.
Or:
He actually found out that there was more than just a universe in existence.

Now, a multiverse actually has multiple universes, and in those universes, there are dimensions. So, that would mean, that every Eternity is actually a multiverse, following your theory.
Also, actual Multi-Eternity would encompass all of these so called "multiverses", so also based on your theory, Multi-Eternity would actually be an omni-verse, since everything woud be in it.

So, you can call the universe a multiverse, but the fact of the matter is, that an actual multiverse is bigger, and the multi-universe theory would still be the same.

So again... based on that scan, every "universe" is actually a "multiverse" (because every universe has these dimensions). It still doesn't change the feat affecting the universe.
If it is called a universe, then it is a universe. If it is called a multiverse, then it is a multiverse. Nothing more, nothing less.

Did this make any sense?

Eternity has about 1000 sayings that he is a universe, compared to every scan "supposedly" calling him a multiverse.




OK then.

In the same page basically, he had just called it a multiverse.
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What he more likely meant, was:

That out of all of Eternity, the Universe's (616) balance was being upset.
Either that, or it was a writer's error.

I wonder how many times it has been said that 616 is only a universe... compared to the times you use scans to say it is a multiverse...





This one made me giggle...

This argument should have been shut down with the couple of universe scans, don't you think?
Not with your one scan of Beyonder finding something out.



I could question his authority, doesn't mean anything.

But, what you are forgetting, is that LT wasn't even a threat to him, so that would make anything null.

Also:

God.

God.

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Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, but IG supposedly made you God.
The Hotu made you God.

All hyperbole to me.

You think God would have exhausted himself making a universe?



The same scan played twice isn't going to make my opinion differ.




You know, this one also made me laugh.

Doesn't the offical bio of Phoenix say that she created Galactus? Didn't you argue against this?
So now, you are telling me to accept bios or cry them a letter?
I have a Hypo, and his name is Crite.

Also, this was never said on-panel, was it? It is just speculation to me, and it doesn't even straight forward follow what you are saying.
It gives two options.

Also, if you notice in my first post adressing the matter, I never said anything about Abraxas killing Roma, I said he "took" her out.
Which he did, whether she faked her death or not.

Like I said, multiversal, beating (notice beating, NOT killing) teh omniversal.


I'm sorry... WHAT?

What seems to me, is that they are just talking about different universes.
Alternate ones, like What-Ifs, and non-canon arcs, 616.

I don't even know, how this fits in here... or what you are trying to do with it.





Ya, and Thanos absorbed that, and he called it a UNIVERSE.



Either that is Multi-Eternity, or there is some massive hyperboles going on, or writer's errors.
I remember reading that comic.
I kind of knew that, that scan was going to be brought up.

So, basically, the same Eternity that has universes flowing through his fingertips, gets stood up to by Dr Strange?
I guess he isn't as powerful as I first thought... or, by some odd reason, a writer made a mistake...




I am going to speculate right now, so...
Usually, when it is called a universe, that means just that. It is not like they can't just say multiverse.
A multiverse has a bunch of universes (or multiverses as you called them earlier) in them. Thanos took out one of those universes.

I know, it sounds crazy doesn't it, I mean, who would have thought that a universe actually meant "universe"?
I guess, that is why it is called speculation...

One more for the road...
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"Universe"

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Originally posted by bigbran
No, no, you misunderstand.

I still think that the HOTU is still the most powerful in Marvel.

I never said that the range makes a difference of power.

The HOTU was a special case.
I don't think it reflects on LT's power level, even after all that.

LT is still multiversal.
I was just making the point because of people saying that Micheal was only universal, therefore he would lose to LT.

HOTU might be universal, but that doesn't mean that a universal power is going to take LT out.

You understand?

Needless to say, HOTU was "special".