Well, it's goober and digi (Scoob's my tourney partner), but yeah.
And yes, it would be a good fight. But He-Man does win, and it's good that you can admit that (I have a hard time in Spidey threads, so I feel your pain).
Is that so? And what does he have to show for it? Not very much. Otherwise, why would he need training from Man-at-arms, who by the way, can't fight his way out of Beastman's hairy palms.
As I mentioned before, He-man was truly marketed towards a kid's imagination. He's a formula taken from other heroes: Conan's wardrobe, Superman's strength, Hulk's muscles, etc... without any regard for consistency. He tosses planets around like styro-foam, but can't even knock out Trap Jaw with a single punch.
He-man fans continually remark that he's the strongest man in the universe... Well, it's a very small universe to say the least. A universe where the likes of Skeletor, Trap Jaw and Beastman are feared. Heck, those three wouldn't even last on planet earth without super heroes.
Then there's He-man's power sword. It can cut through anything [sarcasm]. Yet, when has this ever been true? I seem to remember He-man using his sword to pierce a mountainside to break his fall. If the sword were truly able to slice anything, it would have continued in a downward motion. Picture yourself holding a very sharp Samurai sword. Stick it into a watermelon and try to hole your weight up. You get the idea. More He-man inconsistency. Also, He-man consistently clashes his sword with Skeletor's staff, yet the staff remains intact. I thought it could cut through anything?
For what it's worth, I was a big He-man fan as a kid. But that's how I remember it, fantastic stories about a muscle-bound man. I never even fathomed that He-man was even a match for REAL comic book heroes like Superman, Hulk, etc... Yes, I know He-man made it into comics. But the word is that his comics were inconsistent with the animation and few people were interested in it enough for it to continue. This is just what I heard during this time.
I wouldn't say they're equal. He-man doesn't really hurt his foes. He just tosses them around or entraps them, for reasons already mentioned above. He lacks the tenacity that Hercules would bring. Hercules has tangled with the Hulk and gone toe-to-toe with Thor. Hercules has the experience of fighting super-powered villains, heroes and gods. He-man fights D-level villains and monsters on a daily basis. Sure, He-man has been known to do some outrageously fantastic things, more likely due to bad script writing, but his average strength suggests he's not as strong as Hercules (i.e. he grunts when picking up boulders, his punches have no real affect on villains except sending them backwards, etc...). He-man has no bloodlust, in effect.
Man, you got to stop with this d-level crap. Who the hell are you to say they're D-level, Skeletor especially? Skeletor's been able to ensnare Superman and mind control him, that's a fact. So again, how are they d-level compared to the Joker, Lex Luthor, or, hell, even Killer Croc and the like?
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Wrong. If you look at the time on that scan you'll see that that stone flew for AT LEAST 22 seconds at a speed of 22 miles per second. See in the first panel there is 34 seconds left, and in the next panel there is 12 seconds left(and the stone still hasn't hit). So at the MINIMUM amount of flight time for the stone it went 484 miles(and possibly more).
What people like you need to realize about He-Man's strength is that it is dependant on NEED(kinda like the Hulk's is dependant on anger). When he faces someone with little or no super strength to speak of, he's not nearly as strong as he would be when facing someone like Hercules because he doesn't NEED to be to get the job done. Here take a look...
He NEEDS to be strong enough to keep the Golem's foot from crushing his friends and is therefor strong enough to do just that with effort. (please log in to view the image)
But now his need changes, and he NEEDS to be strong enough to keep the same foot from crashing down with ONE hand(he was previously straining to support it with TWO hands) while he smashes the Golem. Also note that he's not straining nearly as much in the second scan as the first either, so his strength MORE than doubled in a matter of seconds. (please log in to view the image)
Hordak and skeletor are wizards they use strategy and magic...
hell even superman's been one punched unconcious by a wizard (i.e. mummra)... does that mean supes couldn't take another meathead like herc?
I certainly hope not.
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Being as strong as required from a certain task its something any super strong guy can do. All you need is to control your strength.
Unless you happen to be a cold bastard like Black Adam, you hardly will punch a guy who doens`t have your level of strength with the same determination that you will save friends of yours. Its only obvious. In mythology Heracles went from dealing with Lions to held the Heavens and move Mountain sized formations. It`s the same thing.
Its hardly a "power" of either or just a particular one, like you seem to pass on.
That being said, it depends the He-Man version really, since not all are the same. The one who could hang out with pre crisis Superman takes it, the one from the recent cartoon for example likely won`t.
Nods to someone else: cut the "D-List villain" crapolla. Both Skel and Mun-Ra have taken Superham down on they`r own.
Last edited by olympian on Mar 29th, 2007 at 11:37 AM
Still i hardly see the more recent He-Man versions "borrowing" more power from the castle everytime he needs, if ever.
At most, he just uses its strength more in some feats that require it. It`s where the "being as strong as the story requires" comes from. Hercules its a prime example of it. First you deal with Lions and everyone goes "oohh" and then you move mountains or someone as big as a mountain and everyone goes "ohhhhhhhh".
Did he got a powerup? No. And frankly unless its a version that specifically calls for that, i don`t see He-Man having those either.
Make no mistake, i hardly care who wins this, since i like both. I just feel that sometimes the whole mystic of "he just needs to borrow more power and its done" to be blown out of hand.
We already have Hulk for that kind of overblowing crap.
Last edited by olympian on Mar 29th, 2007 at 11:47 AM
I remember in the original cartoon, He-Man moved a moon out of his oribit. In the newer cartoon, he cast a mountain, I think, into the sun. Those feats are more Superman level than Herc level. Also, I think DC even admitted that He-Man was physically stronger than Superman.
500 miles isn't a whole lot for someone of super strength. Hercules is an Olympian discus thrower. I'm sure he would have been able to at LEAST match
I've never heard of this, but it's irrelevant anyway. All strength is based on need. Also, regardless of whether He-man's strength is based on need, it would also have a limit.
But the true "nail in the coffin" to this theory is this: If He-man's strength depends on need, then he's truly doomed against better fighters. The point being, he would need a whole lot more strength to outweigh the advantage against someone who is more skilled and tenacious. Hercules is by far more tenacious and a better fighter and more experienced against mega-powerful foes. The theory that He-man would have a slight edge in strength (need-based) wouldn't make any difference. He would still lose.
I don't see this at all... It's subjective at most. What REALLY happens here is that He-man stops the force of an object which undoubtedly causes some strain. When the object is no longer moving, He-man adjusts to it and is able to hold it with one arm. There's no indication that strength from Greyskull was moving back and forth to allow him to adjust to the weight. It's common physics, nothing more.
Skeletor is D-level because he's never been able to even so much as harm He-man. Heck, he's never even killed anyone. Skeletor would be running from Killer Croc because his mind tricks wouldn't work on Croc's psychotic mind. Skeletor, who has no super strength, intelligence or fighting skills to speak of is D-level.
Yeah, he ensnared Superman with a spell (through a plot device that somehow he was never able to repeat again), but Superman broke free. It was a cross-over and the plot device was used to make Superman beat up on He-man.
Joker is incredibly sly and tenacious for a villain and he kills for a living. And Luthor, he'd have Skeletor in a test lab in less then 5 panels. He's a genius who's been able to clone Superman, destroy Metropolis, and re-incarnate himself.
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