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Pip could kill Logan 2 times quick.


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It wasn't funny? Why, because you have a mad hard on for Wolverine? Seriously - don't take my stab at Wolverine personally. Regardless of what Superman can do (which does have an explanation), Wolverine coming back to life cause he feels like it? That's shitty writing.

Maybe they'll fix it down the road, with some explanation of him going through some magic ritual, being cursed(Deadpool), or stumbling onto some kind of artifact (Savage).

Till then? It's a cop out and everyone here knows it.


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Originally posted by Soljer
It wasn't funny? Why, because you have a mad hard on for Wolverine? Seriously - don't take my stab at Wolverine personally. Regardless of what Superman can do (which does have an explanation), Wolverine coming back to life cause he feels like it? That's shitty writing.

Maybe they'll fix it down the road, with some explanation of him going through some magic ritual, being cursed(Deadpool), or stumbling onto some kind of artifact (Savage).

Till then? It's a cop out and everyone here knows it.


I don't think people read the issue right in the first place. None of that stuff was happening, Wolverine's "soul" wasn't sent to purgatory, he never fought Laezar (was that his name) to earn his resurection, none of it happened. It was Wolverine's subconscious trying to cope with death and rebirth... which is surely a harrowing experience. His healing factor just healed him up and that was his mind trying to rationlize the experience, he isn't immortal.


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Originally posted by capt it up
that was not funny. I actaully glad they finally told us why he could survive the things he does survive. makes a lot more sense then what superman does or most characters for that matter. Did you know the originally had no answer for why superman could fly?.





I still think he ment kill him for good or put him in a state or death were he could not emerge though I wait to see what he has to say.
They have an explantion for it... but how do they explain the explanation?

I mean, he can choose whether he lives?
He has to fight someone?

Where did HE get the power to do this? How come no one else can achieve this power?


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It wasn't funny? Why, because you have a mad hard on for Wolverine? Seriously - don't take my stab at Wolverine personally. Regardless of what Superman can do (which does have an explanation), Wolverine coming back to life cause he feels like it? That's shitty writing.

Maybe they'll fix it down the road, with some explanation of him going through some magic ritual, being cursed(Deadpool), or stumbling onto some kind of artifact (Savage).

Till then? It's a cop out and everyone here knows it.


or maybe he was born immortal. You know it would not be the first time a character was born immortal. Would make sense to given his power set. You can think it a cop out all you want, but it not nor was it intended to be. You ever read the artical on it? The artical was quite interesting and it was never marvel original intention to explain more of logans powers till the author of wolverine civil war asked if he could write a further issue that showed a new part of Logan powers. I neevr took it personally I could really care less what you say about wolverine or my suposed hard on, becuase I defend a character who constantly attacked on the forums. I rather be debating about other characters however I do not get the opertunity due to the fact many of my favorit characters are not known by many people on KMC and the threads die out rather quickly

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't think people read the issue right in the first place. None of that stuff was happening, Wolverine's "soul" wasn't sent to purgatory, he never fought Laezar (was that his name) to earn his resurection, none of it happened. It was Wolverine's subconscious trying to cope with death and rebirth... which is surely a harrowing experience. His healing factor just healed him up and that was his mind trying to rationlize the experience, he isn't immortal.


Are you quite sure? I mean, you've posted that before, but isn't that just your interpretation?

How are you so confident that other peoples' interpretation is wrong?


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or maybe he was born immortal. You know it would not be the first time a character was born immortal. Would make sense to given his power set. You can think it a cop out all you want, but it not nor was it intended to be. You ever read the artical on it? The artical was quite interesting and it was never marvel original intention to explain more of logans powers till the author of wolverine civil war asked if he could write a further issue that showed a new part of Logan powers. I neevr took it personally I could really care less what you say about wolverine or my suposed hard on, becuase I defend a character who constantly attacked on the forums. I rather be debating about other characters however I do not get the opertunity due to the fact many of my favorit characters are not know by many people on KMC and the threads die out rather quickly


I defend Wolverine all over the place, so don't give me that trash.

Also, if he was born immortal, tell me so! Give me an explanation! Mr. Immortal is immortal due to his mutation - if Logan is the same way, plus a healing factor? Tell me so!

If Logan stumbled onto a meteorite and became immortal a thousand years ago, and has just been living amnesiatic lives up till now? Cool. Tell me so!

If Logan was granted immortality/amnesia as a boon/curse by an arabian genie? Cool! Tell me so!

As it stands, (unless Srank is correct in HIS interpretation), Logan is immortal cause he feels like it. No more. No less.

Maybe this, maybe that, but as far as the comic is concerned? Logan is immortal because he doesn't want to die.

THAT is why it's shit writing.


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They have an explantion for it... but how do they explain the explanation?

I mean, he can choose whether he lives?
He has to fight someone?

Where did HE get the power to do this? How come no one else can achieve this power?

same could be said for many characters. Why is logan the only oen constantly ask questions like this. Why can ice man turn people to ice? Why does he get that power, but no one esle. It becuase that his power. Why does logan get to choose to live I don't know maybe it will be explained. Logan never had to originally fight any one till he killed lazear who has sworn revenge against him and will remain in limbo till he kills logan

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Originally posted by Soljer
I defend Wolverine all over the place, so don't give me that trash.

Also, if he was born immortal, tell me so! Give me an explanation! Mr. Immortal is immortal due to his mutation - if Logan is the same way, plus a healing factor? Tell me so!

If Logan stumbled onto a meteorite and became immortal a thousand years ago, and has just been living amnesiatic lives up till now? Cool. Tell me so!

If Logan was granted immortality/amnesia as a boon/curse by an arabian genie? Cool! Tell me so!

As it stands, (unless Srank is correct in HIS interpretation), Logan is immortal cause he feels like it. No more. No less.

Maybe this, maybe that, but as far as the comic is concerned? Logan is immortal because he doesn't want to die.

THAT is why it's shit writing.


I neevr said you don't defend logan. People think I care so much about logan becuase I defend him. Yes he my favorit character, but if he was no so conastantly bash I would not defend him as often. I rather debate about bruenor, but none of you know who he is.

I think they have not told why he is immortal fully due to the fact it makes him mysterous and they can milk it for more money when they decide to tell teh last little secret

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same could be said for many characters. Why is logan the only oen constantly ask questions like this. Why can ice man turn people to ice? Why does he get that power, but no one esle. It becuase that his power. Why does logan get to choose to live I don't know maybe it will be explained. Logan never had to originally fight any one till he killed lazear who has sworn revenge against him and will remain in limbo till he kills logan
That doesn't really have to do with Wolverine being immortal...
There are plenty of people that are immortal, so why would Iceman enter this conversation?

Deadpool (Thanos), Elders (Death), Thanos (Death), Drax (Kronos), Mr Immortal (mutation), etc.
Wolverine (...)?

Why is Wolverine "immortal"?


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That doesn't really have to do with Wolverine being immortal...
There are plenty of people that are immortal, so why would Iceman enter this conversation?

Deadpool (Thanos), Elders (Death), Thanos (Death), Drax (Kronos), Mr Immortal (mutation), etc.
Wolverine (...)?

Why is Wolverine "immortal"?

why not? why can't he be immortal? I think he was born it and they will explain it one of these days

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Are you quite sure? I mean, you've posted that before, but isn't that just your interpretation?

How are you so confident that other peoples' interpretation is wrong?


It's Lazaer that makes me think it. We've been been given insight on the process of Wolverine's "death" and "resurrection" before and while it was very similar to what was shown in Wolverine 49 Lazaer was never present, in fact I think it important to note that only since HoM - where Wolverine's memories were restored - that has Lazaer been present in his "resurrection" process. Subconsciously he has hang ups on Lazaer's death... maybe even feels remorse, so Lazaer is prevalent his attempted to cope with rebirth taking the place of Colossus who had previous been their to usher Wolverine into the after life. Since Colossus was never actual dead it couldn't have been his soul that was their to help Wolverine in purgatory but rather a manifestation created from Wolverine's memories... and thats what I feel Lazaer is also.


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why not? why can't he be immortal? I think he was born it and they will explain it one of these days


He isn't saying that Wolverine can't, isn't, or shouldn't be immortal, he is asking WHY?

Drax has kronos to thank, Deadpool has Thanos. Thanos has (had?) Death. Mr. Immortal has an X-gene.

Etcetera.

Why does Wolverine come back? Shit writing. He has no other explanation.


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It's Lazaer that makes me think it. We've been been given insight on the process of Wolverine's "death" and "resurrection" before and while it was very similar to what was shown in Wolverine 49 Lazaer was never present, in fact I think it important to note that only since HoM - where Wolverine's memories were restored - that has Lazaer been present in his "resurrection" process. Subconsciously he has hang ups on Lazaer's death... maybe even feels remorse, so Lazaer is prevalent his attempted to cope with rebirth taking the place of Colossus who had previous been their to usher Wolverine into the after life. Since Colossus was never actual dead it couldn't have been his soul that was their to help Wolverine in purgatory but rather a manifestation created from Wolverine's memories... and thats what I feel Lazaer is also.

this is still speculation though. We will have to wait and see who is correct. I for one think he was born immortal or it came with his other mutant powers at the age of 12ish. It would explain all the hints at him being immortal.

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It's Lazaer that makes me think it. We've been been given insight on the process of Wolverine's "death" and "resurrection" before and while it was very similar to what was shown in Wolverine 49 Lazaer was never present, in fact I think it important to note that only since HoM - where Wolverine's memories were restored - that has Lazaer been present in his "resurrection" process. Subconsciously he has hang ups on Lazaer's death... maybe even feels remorse, so Lazaer is prevalent his attempted to cope with rebirth taking the place of Colossus who had previous been their to usher Wolverine into the after life. Since Colossus was never actual dead it couldn't have been his soul that was their to help Wolverine in purgatory but rather a manifestation created from Wolverine's memories... and thats what I feel Lazaer is also.


Makes sense. No doubt...

But is still just one interpretation of many.


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He isn't saying that Wolverine can't, isn't, or shouldn't be immortal, he is asking WHY?

Drax has kronos to thank, Deadpool has Thanos. Thanos has (had?) Death. Mr. Immortal has an X-gene.

Etcetera.

Why does Wolverine come back? Shit writing. He has no other explanation.

that does not equal shitty writting. They plan on telling people some day most likly this year and are using the issue to milk the idea so people will want to buy the issue or run were they finally fully explain it in detail. The issue was well written however the idea was never fully explain on purpose.

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that does not equal shitty writting. They plan on telling people some day most likly this year and are using the issue to milk the idea so people will want to buy the issue or run were they finally fully explain it in detail. The issue was well written however the idea was never fully explain on purpose.


But it didn't even give a hint of an explanation, to my memory. The only explanation that could be drawn from the issue is "Eh....I don't feel like dying today, maybe next time the Hulk smashes my skull in."


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