Raven could be potentially as powerful as Trigon, but, at current times, she isn't Likewise, Juggernaut could be potentially as powerful as 8th Day Juggs... but he isn't as it stands.
So, do you believe that Raven could taken down the Titans and the JLA in a second from another dimension? Something seems a little flawed with your logic there, buddy. And, would you say that this team > Shuma Gorath in his own dimension?
There's nothing flawed in my logic.
You take low showing of the team and judge by it about outcome of the fight. Strange has lots of bad showings, so?
And what makes you think that she isn't potentially as powerfull as Trigon at current times? She is, but the thing is that she never uses her powers at maximum potential because all her life she's been tought that fighting is wrong and that peace is the only right thing, but she doesn't have such problem in a vs fight on the forum. And it's also true that her best feats are more impressive than Strange's and that includes victory over Trigon.
As for Raven taking down titans and jla, can't claim anything since she never had to, but titans alone, hell yeah.
Again, I don't know much about Shuma so I can't answer your question, but Dormamu... I know that Trigon could use him as a toilet paper if he needed to.
Now, do you think Strange can take on Titans and JLA?
I'll let others adress your other points but this happens to be a bit off base.
Only CBR fights with nothing but powersets. The "forum bloodlust" on KMC is simply that all characters will be interested in victory (ie they will not fight for a stalemate). If Raven has been raised to fear using all of her power she will not use in here because it's outside of her normal personality.
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I'm not judging it by bad showings. I'm just not hyping up their capabilities by any means. Raven's powers might be, at peak, Trigon level. But we aren't arguing her powers vs. Strange's (who would still stand a chance, FYI)
We're arguing whether SHE, not HER POWERS, can beat Strange. So she won't be Trigon level for the fight, just as Juggernaut won't be shrinking everybody and firing off blasts for his fights (his powers can do it, FYI, but bloodlusted, he still won't use them in such a manner).
And, as I asked before, do the Titans and JLA know Strange is about to attack?
For some reason I always thought that "forum bloodlust" means that character goes with everything he or she has and doesn't matter if he's fighting an equel opoonent or a weaker opponent and without holding back. And personality doesn't matter here.
If we take Spider-man vs Daredevil, then it's Spider-man who doesn't pull his punches and if we take Wolverine vs Batman, then it's Wolverine who tries to cut batman's head off with every attack and not just take him down without killing him like he would've done in the books etc.
If we take her personality into concideration then probably she'd lose majority, but as I said before it doesn't work that way in a vs forum.
You can't just forbidd her using MOST of her powers just because she wouldn't have done that in the books. So it pretty much IS HER POWERS vs HIS POWERS, as well as in Spider-man vs Lady Deathstrike thread it's HIS POWERS vs HER POWERS. And going by that I say that Raven would win the majority.
And yes, Titans and JLA meet Strange into an alley and they want to kill him and he wants to kill them.
On the forum Spidey would be assume to pull his punches less (since he does have a strength advantage but isn't in the habit of making people's heads explode when he hits them).
Wolvie and people like him much more complicated IMO since he is agressive and violent by nature but has to hold it back to do his job as a "hero".
In the case of Raven or a person who is afraid of thier power they won't push themselves to a level that will scare them. Raven has morality and conditioned fear that holds her back from using all her power.
At least this is how I figure the rules are meant to be read. They are a bit ambiguous.
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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
That's exactly how I thought it works. No holding back at all. In this case I'll have to reconcider 50% of the things I've claimed in vs forum.
Because if Spider-man tries to hold back with DD he'd lose. He'd also lose to Batman, Wolverine, Elektra Catwoman and many MANY others I said he'd beat wothout much efforts.
And Supes would get his butt kicked by Hulk.
But doesn't that mean that Flash is not fighting within his personality if he speedblitz everyone in a picosecond because he never does it in the books? And will not it also mean that Raven will use ALL her powers because "it is a proven fact that" she "possesses" that kind of power?
They do hold back but only to the level that they would against an opponent like the one they're fighting.
Spidey wouldn't pull his punches against, say Sentry because he knows Sentry could take the hit. He simply won't go for a head exploding kill but he might try to end it with one good punch.
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Those rules seem to be broken all the time. Becuz people are always claiming what Superman would do bloodlusted and what Black Bolt would do and how many powers thor would use, when Superman rarely ever cuts lose, Black Bolt almost never screams, and Thor probably forgets all those half assed powers that writers come up with one time on a whim.
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Apr 13th, 2007 04:58 PM
much more complicated IMO since he is agressive and violent by nature but has to hold it back to do his job as a "hero".
