You think because someone can affect the cosmic nature, that that automatically puts them at an abstract level?
It doesn't work like that, because I can think of more than 20 people who can do this off the top of my head, and they are no where near Galactus's (let alone Mad Jim Jaspers) level.
You're just mad, because Magneto can essentially create two black holes, and connect them perfectly to align the infinite ends, so they are transversable (which ruins all arguements for Storm beating him), so no doubt you are going to argue about it.
But, your logic works, that if you argue Mag's feat, then logically, Storm's is just as much, if not more bullshit than Mag's.
I'm using one theory I heard.
Your theories don't blot out my theories, because that's what they are... "theories".
Another one is a black hole, and a white hole connected.
Still... a lot of f*cking power.
And yet, it was a one time feat...
You base this off of... a baseless start, and Magneto hate?
Ha...
Just something for everyone to notice:
Juggernaut has used his shield, what, three times in comics?
Two of those three times have his shield being the source of his duribility.
So, if Juggernaut does indeed have his shield (which will most likely be brought up), then people are also admitting that Juggernaut can be KO'ed without it (as Thor had him dazed, and was about to put him down).
Not really relevent now, but just pointing out...
Anyway, Mags rips his helmet off and mindrapes him...
Actually, it could go either way.
Mags does not mindrape Juggernaut. Juggernaut on more than one occasion has fought through a psychics powers out of rage, his rage kept him going.
Mags can fly all he wants, but Juggernaut could Thunderclap and bring him down. When Juggernaut fought Nightmare he used spells to shrink him and bring him to himself. I don't think he lost the powers but they were just forgotten. Correct me if I am wrong. Juggernaut also has great jumping abilities.
Juggernaut could also grab Mags when he gets in close. Magneto is not that fast, and Juggernaut has proven to be quick. He snared Angel out of the air surprising both Warren and Cyclops.
Juggernaut can return under his own power, so BFR isn't an option for Magneto.
Juggernaut's shield isn't the source of his durability. He took a planet ripping blast from Cyclops to the chest and laughed. Next issue he and Black Tom were falling from a plane. Cain held Tom close enough so the shield would take the impact. The shield would have to be more then 2 feet away from his body which it was shown in the Spider-man and Thor comics.
Juggernaut has a lot at his disposal, since he is at his best even if he only showed a feat once or twice.
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Last edited by Ptr_Grifin on Apr 21st, 2007 at 06:13 AM