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Ignore leonheart, I debated him on Aizen and Itachi. He resorted to ignoring evidence and making things up as he goes along. I'm still waiting for him to confirm that Jyaraia told Sasuke to close his eye's.
Shimmering and dissapreing is a speed feat. IT doens't matter if its common to anime it shows that you are moving faster than the eye can track.
There is nothgin improiper about it if someone is draw as a simply a blur it means their moving really fast.
"Bullet Speeds" see that is an improper generalization. A bullet moves at around a certain speed. So unless you got a radar gun out there measuring the speed of attacks your just guessing. Which is no different than what I said. Also check Sakuras fight with Sasori if you want to see agility feats. Though they belong to Chiyo not Sakura.
I told you, the two meet Aiznehas no idea what a sharingan is and he makes eye contact and its game over. Or lets say he attacks turns out he just attacked a shadow clone and now he is caught in one of Itachi's Genjutsus. Or Itachi jsut sidesteps and cuts his throat cause his Sharingan easily allows him to see it coming.
Aizen would own Itachi. Sharigan only effects Someones sight, by not looking, it is avoidable, and also that deidra(the clay one that fought sasuke) trained his eye to see through the genjutsu of the sharigan.
but Aizens soulcutter has the ability of complete hypnosis, it affects all senses not just sight. And even if you know its coming then you still can't stop be effected by it and you still can't escape.
It will be interesting too see how Ichigo can avoid it.
Also Aizens captian level soul pressure would block any attack that Itachi could land, Like when Ichigo fought kenpachi and he had to have more soul pressure then kenpachi to cut him.
Aizen owns Itachi!!!
Last edited by Avenger2.0 on Aug 28th, 2007 at 02:56 AM
Tons sure. Tehre are also Tons that don't. If they never used the flash in Bleach then it would be one of them but they use it to show when a character is moving fast. What with the double standard. If they use it in Bleach its because their fast but if they use it in NAruto it is meaningless?
He was able to creat a shadow cloen and get it behind Kakashi before he or anyone else realized it. Also check out Naurto Shippuden 14 his clone at 30 percent was able to dodge Chidori. Also Itachi is hard to guage because he hasn't had a major fight.
??? Are you sure cause I just looked at the epsiode. They dived off a cliff and were tlakign then the epsidoe shifted to something else then later it comes back and then they appear in the miidle of the street. Nowhere for all you know it could have take nt hem a hundread. Not to mention how do you know it was "miles" for all you know it could have been 1. Eithe rway they didn't get htere in one move it took them a while.
Nope it makes the electrical humming but it only makes the chirping when moving.
Tell me how fast he was. How many MPH? You don't know your jsut guessing. Rock lee was moving over 3000mph. Lol I don't know how fast he was moving. HE was moving faster than anything they'dd showed until then. Tell me that Ichigo was defieneltly moving faster. Go ahead. Even better Prove it.They did the exact same thing. The appeared and dissapred an vanished and moved in blurs, ddging attacks from a guy standing there throwing a large amount of deadly material at them. But you say that, that doesn't count because a Naruto character did it.
No, because that "shimmering and disappearing" act in Bleach actually has a name - Shyunpo, which is super speed movement. It even is described as that by characters who do that. Naruto characters just do that as in effect.
And that's a speed feat? Moving a couple of meters? Uh, no. And it's funny you mention that it's hard to gauge Itachi because he hasn't had a major fight so far, yet he's constantly shown signs of weaknesses and shortcomings. OTOH, Aizen, who also hasn't had a major confrontation yet, JUST owned people, before disappearing.
That scene was happening while they were escaping from Ganryusai. The mile(s) movement I'm talking about is when Ukitake with somebody in his arms, quickly left the scene, dropped said person off in a safe distance, then came right back. Ganryusai comments that he was able to move several miles in an instant.
It makes the chirping sound even when immobilzed. When Sasuke stuck his Chidori into Gaara's sand coccoon, you could still hear the chirping sound.
Um, Ichigo was moving faster than Rock Lee was, even without weights on. Seriously, take a look at the episode where he fought against Byakuya. Rock Lee fought against a perpetual turtle who doesn't know shit about moving at high speeds. Ichigo was fighting a captain who's speciality WAS speed, and was almost onpar with the Flash God Yoroichi. And even then, he had a slight edge over Byakuya. And even better, he cut through thousands of sharp petals like nothing. As much as I love Rock Lee (favourite Naruto character), even he's not as fast as a Bleacher. I still think he and Gai are the fasted in Naruto, though.
You clearly didn't watch the end of the Soul Society arc, then. All he did was own people with ease. And these people he owned were damn badass in their own rights. Itachi hasn't done shit, though. At least, not like Aizen.
All it takes is for the fight to exist in the first place, and the outcome is decided -- Aizen chops off Itachi's head long before he can activate any genjutsu.
your saying SIMPY PUT, doesnt mean anything here. it is not evidence. you fail to provide any that suggests logically that aizen is faster than itachi. your bawling doesnt prove anything and there is not a single shred of evidence to the contrary in that paragraph.
im not using it to BACK my argument. im using it as a display of high end feats which exist in both naruto AND bleach. its an example of how people with common sense shoul NOT hype up the characters based on only high end inconsistant feat and forget low end feats.
and again, you simply saying that aizen moving as fast as bleachers are is NO valid argument to accept your position. give me EVIDENCE to back up/compare speed level. and dont use childish tactics like call me sum1 whose "wanking up naruto" based on the unproven assumption of yours that "AIZEN IS FASTER THAN ITACHI" prove this and only THEN will your statement carry weight.
your clearly arguing against evidence here. itachi was practicing to hit targets in the BLIND SPOT. he wasnt just working on his aim, he was working on sumthinhg the human eye cud not SEE. that is why sasuke was so impressed. you have ZERO evidence to say that shaaringan can not see through material.
and really you ought to know better. that si, if you watch naruto.
kakashi ADMITS TO NOT BE ABLE TO SEE "TENKUTSU"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. which are CHAKRA PORES, ON the outside of the body u fool. he never admitted to not being able to see inside the body. the chakra pores were too small for him to see with HIS LEVEL OF SHAARINGAN. he cud see the chakra circulatory system just fine. that is why he commented on it. and THAT is why with his shaaringan he pointed out that rock lee's muscles had ripped/tendons had ripped. when he was going super speed with his ryuu gates open. kakashi saw his INNER MUSCLES/TENDONS at THAT SPEED. tell me how a person can see tendons/muscles without being able to look through skin/bone/sinew etc. your making crap up here. he only admitted to not being anle to see CHAKRA PORES. dont try to pull that one on me again.
you were referring to kakashi. and why he wore the headband over his left eye. please do not try to twist statements to suit your self.
now your being idiotic. i already EXPLAINED how itachi was always stronger than jiraya. maybe u didnt read my response. itachi never said HE wud get injured. he said there was a chance that thye MIGHT recieve some injury as jiraya was no pushoer{he was referring more to kisame than himself}. he later explained that they were not in konohakagura to FIGHT, and didnt wanna start a war, THAT is why he left saying that there was no need to capture naruto at the time. jiraya admitted later that they were aboe his level. before casting his frog stomach jutsu, he said that it was a jutsu NO1 had ever escaped from. and why do u htink kisame confronted jiraya and jiraya didnt help sasuke against itachi if he was as poerful as u make it seem. itachi>jiraya>kisame. jiraya was shocked when they escaped with amaterasu and told naruto that he was BARELY able to save them both and the oppositions level was "too high".
they didnt run away like bitches. they left of their own will.
yes he says its genjutsu. and this genjutsu works at the SOUL. you obvioulsy read everything and not WATCH or read naruto. there are THREE explanations for genjutsu. first given by shikamaru in the chuunin exam against curse mark. {genjutsu works by targettinn the five senses}
second by jiraya when teaching naruto in shippuden to counter genjutsu{genjutsu works by targetting the chakra circulatory system. if u can shut your chakra, you can break free of it}
third given by itachi when he targetted kakashi{tsukiyomi, the ultimate undispellable genjutsu works on the soul. and the soul does not know the illusion from reality. and therefore it hurts the same as real life and its an illusion covered in layers of pain}
itachi already proved by hspitalising kakshi for two weeks{yes it WAS two weeks, that was how long it took jiraya and naruto to make tsunade come back. even she comments on the time period to kakashi} and explaining that it was the soul. he also surpassed the first condition because he cast it on naruto when he was looking away {decidedly} in shippuden and to sasuke with his eyes closed.{he only needs a finger and that was his CLONE} he also surpassed the second condition where naruto was completely unsuccesful to evade it by shutting down his chakra circulatory system{again this was the weaker CLONE who didnt use tsukiyomi} it IS the soul.
this is backed by how sasuke supressed the kyuubi. tell me, does the kyuubi live inside naruto's MIND????? no, it lives inside his SOUL. how cud sasuke get their and exert himself if shaaringan only acts on the mind?
name ONE feat where his speed can be verified as greater than naruto speed. just ONE. and strength??? dont make me laugh, i can give you tons of strength/destructiveness feats in naruto which DWARF the entire soul society as it stands right now. 4 tails/diedara/manda/rock lee/bijuu/gaara/etc. aizen doesnt have a prayer, the way he currently is.
Wrong. I've provided numerous examples of how fast Aizen is. If not me, then others have here and the other thrad.
Don't ever mention that light speed shit again here then.
I ****ing TOLD you Aizen BLITZED THE SHIT OUT OF ICHIGO, WHO HIMSELF WAS A FAST ASS MOTHER****ER. Ichigo Shyunpoing is ALREADY faster than everything else Naruto characters have ever done. Have you ****ing watched/read Bleach yet or are you just taking a one-sided fanboy look at everything? Take a good look at everything said. And yes, you DO wank Naruto up. You've been doing it since the beginning of this discussion. Wanking, I mean, because you're lying your ass off, either out of ignorance, or because you're taking us for fools who don't know anything about Naruto. Newsflash! We know more about it than you do, so don't try to pull a fast one on us.
Actually, you're in luck. I was watching that episode recently in the hospital on tvlinks. And yes, he did hit it with sheer skill. Even Sasuke admits that Itachi's shuriken skill is above most par. Think logically for a minute. Would it really be that difficult of a practice if he COULD see through solid material with his Sharingan? If he could do that, it's just a run of the mill target. The point of that exercise was to test his aiming skills, which again, is badass, even WITHOUT Sharingan.
And, Sharingan has never been able to look through material.
Or, you know, he could've simply NOTICED that Lee's arms and legs were broken judging by the movement of his limbs. Let me give you the details on the Sharingan.
1 Tomoe (dot) : Allows you to see through genjutus, ninjutus and taijutsu.
2 Tomoe : Allows you to copy other peoples jutus, minus the bloodline ones.
3 Tomoe : Allows you to perform genjutsu against target via eye contact.
The Byakugan allows you to see through objects, 360 degrees around you, chakra tenketsus and even inside your body. Sharingan doesn't.
Wrong. He said they WOULD have received injuries. Keyword there is THEY. As in, Itachi included. He wasn't referring to Kisame more than himself. Quit lying. Jiraiya didn't say they were above HIS level. He said they were above Naruto's level, when he tried going after them. And who cares if they escaped one jutsu? It's not like breaking one jutsu automatically means "ZOMG JIRAIYA SUX ITACHI ROX!!" If Itachi were as strong as you wank him to be, he could've just taken out Jiraiya and called it a day. Kisame being there would've only been extra battery. They ran away like bitches. In fact, Kisame wanted to stay and fight. It was Itachi who pussied out.
Bullshit. None of that ever happened. Nobody ever said Genjutsu affected your soul. Stop trying to bullshit me.
Kyuubi lives inside his BODY. This is fact. And Sasuke used GENJUTSU. That affects your MIND.
Speed. People here have given you numerous examples on how fast Aizen is, myself included. If you don't get it by now, you're an idiot who lacks comprehension. And instead, compensate for it with rabid fanboyism.
Strength. Look at what was written.
Go away, scrub. You don't know shit about Naruto OR Bleach
not numerous, you keep on saying numerous but there are only a few. and NONE of them can be verified to COMPARE speeds. stop lying. otherwise, give an estimated speed{in KM/HOUR} if it IS POSSIBLE at all to verify his speed. otherwise, shut the hole in your face spewing flaming sewage.
i will if you continnue to mention ichigo blocking so n so byakuya swords.
stop trying to be gangsta newbie
oh, is your lack of credibility and evidence frustrating you? . agreed they are fast characters, and aizen> ichigo>byakuya in speed. but how fast is BYAKUYA to begin with. think of any TRUE verifyable feat this time instead of brainstorming BS and give me a speed estimate based on logical facts in km/hour. otherwise their speed feats mean absolutely nuthing to naruto speed feats. they can not be compared. the other part of that paragraph is useless bawling and tantrum throwing. {oddly, you assume just because other people support bleach here, that theyr your FRIENDS. hence using the word "US". please stop trying ot make yourself feal better about you ok}
the point was to show his amazing mastery of the SHAARINGAN. and that is why sasuke was amazed. there is still the feat of seeing naruto behind the rock on the lake in sasuke's defection and using the shaaringan controlled shuriken/threads to trap him.
that is OLD description. if that was all there was to it, kyuubi, itachi, madara, urochimaru and tobi wudnt give much of a damn about shaaringan. if you wanna make fake arguments why not take the ORIGINAL explanation of shaaringan in zabuza saga and say it only has an eye of insight and an eye of illusion and nuthing more. please dont talk out of ur ass, the shasringan has been powered up far more since then.
and let me explain what broen TENDONS and MUSCLES do. the instantly cripple your movement ability on sopt as you cant conduct energy form your muscles to the tendons to the bones which mive in leverage. if he saw his hands /limbs DEAD then he cud say that they were broken. but rock lee was ACTIVELY using his limbs to the nth degree with no slowing at all, so how cud kakashi have seen just the outside. fact is he was looking at the INSIDE of his body.he also confirmed this by comparing the byaakugan's then ability of insight and said, that even HE could not see the chakra pores{but could see the chakra circulatory system}. but then who am i kidding, youve already lied about this event and try to portray it as kakashi admitting that he cudnt see inside the body which he never did.
more evidence, in sasuke's fight with diedara, he could see the mine buried in the ground and that is why he pierced his sword straight through it when it was hidden in the ground. also, he was visually able ot see diedara's inside as a demonic bomb{on panel} when his chest absorbed the clay for his suicidal jutsu.
wrong, he said they MIGHT get injured. and they was merely used because kisame was with him. there is no reason to believe he was referring to himself more than kisame. jiraya said he was barely able to stop them from taking naruto. and they surpassed his ultimate jutsu. furthermore, urochimaru later said that itachi is stronger than him to begin with. im not saying jiraya sucks, he wud give itachi a fight as much as urochimaru, but we already know both of them lost{one more than the other as itachi was at the offensive with urochimaru}.
and again, ur forgetting the fact that itachi wasnt there to fight. he already said tthey were not there for hostililty or to accidentaly start a war. since akatsuki's hidden status was already compromised. itachi did not run like a *****. if he had directed his amaterasu against naruto/sasuke/jiraya, they would probably be dead.
. more tantrums? itachi CLEARLY said that kakashi's soul could not tell the difference between the pain and reality.
thats the biggest load of crap ever. the kyuubi is the size multiple footbal stadiums. plus it lives in an orange labyrinth inside a cage/seal in water. do you think naruto's physical body can house all that?!
dont be an idiot. it live inside naruto's soul. sasuke entered naruto's soul.
and, you keep saying theyve given speed feats. they have hardly given 3 or 4. NONE of which can be verified to be faster than naruto. if they truly are, give me a real world speed estimate my friend.
i have. its nuthing new, nuthing worth much. i know more about either than u ever will{judging from your show of intelligent discussion here}. again, stop trying to be an egotistical mob boss kid . this is an online forum.
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. agreed they are fast characters, and aizen> ichigo>byakuya in speed. but how fast is BYAKUYA to begin with. think of any TRUE verifyable feat this time instead of brainstorming BS and give me a speed estimate based on logical facts in km/hour. otherwise their speed feats mean absolutely nuthing to naruto speed feats. they can not be compared. the other part of that paragraph is useless bawling and tantrum throwing. {oddly, you assume just because other people support bleach here, that theyr your FRIENDS. hence using the word "US". please stop trying ot make yourself feal better about you ok}
. more tantrums? itachi CLEARLY said that kakashi's soul could not tell the difference between the pain and reality.
. this is an online forum.
