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Wolverine2006
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Originally posted by superchron
Ultimate Hulk eats wolvie


For that statement I have another...

Wolverine cuts Hulk's head off.

At least until you have a good argument. no expression


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At least until you have a good argument. no expression


UH............Ultimate Hulk eats people


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uh...yea he does, but how is going to eat someone who heals faster than Hulk eats...and is also someone who often goes toe to toe with 616 Hulk...who is far more powerful than Ultimate Hulk...and theres also that whole unbreakable and also "uneatable" skeleton thing that Wolverine has going for him.


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Originally posted by Master-Borg
So I guess one of Wolverine's new powers is that his bones are magically connected, not by tendons or cartilage, but by some mysterious process only Battlehammer knows. *snickers*


I see you’re taking it well that again you were proven wrong by me when you had stated that I had made up the fact Logan’s adamatium skeleton was all connected.

I love how you seem to think it some new development. It been shown to be this way since Uncanny X-Men issue 142.

Live with it. It part of his character and I have ample enough evidences of it being shown to be that way and even tested to be so by 100 class opponents. It a fact that it connect and no amount of you bitching or ignoring the evidences will change it.

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....If all his bones are connected to each other by a unbreakable metal, how is he able to bend his wrists, rotate his hips, or I dunno, WALK by bending his knees and ankles?

This baffles you when characters are gods, have the power of a million exploding suns, and have the ability to turn to mist, ice and then back to flesh and blood. Yet this is unbelievable?
Not to mention character such as colossus who turn to solid steal are some are able to walk and you do not question it and yet you think this makes no senses?


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Originally posted by Master-Borg
no, it's not adamantium that connects his bones....it's MAGIC!


No amount of you trying to discredit me by acting as if I am ridiculous will change the fact that Logan’s adamatium skeleton is connected.

I have issues and scans that prove that they are connect while all you have is nothing.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer



This baffles you when characters are gods, have the power of a million exploding suns, and have the ability to turn to mist, ice and then back to flesh and blood. Yet this is unbelievable?
Not to mention character such as colossus who turn to solid steal are some are able to walk and you do not question it and yet you think this makes no senses?


Colossus' POWER is to turn to steel.

Iceman's POWER is to turn to ice.

Sentry's POWER is to have the power of stars.

Does Wolverine's POWER include having a skeleton that is mysteriously not connected by tendon or cartilage but some mysterious magical force?! I guess so laughing out loud


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Originally posted by Master-Borg
Colossus' POWER is to turn to steel.

Iceman's POWER is to turn to ice.

Sentry's POWER is to have the power of stars.

Does Wolverine's POWER include having a skeleton that is mysteriously not connected by tendon or cartilage but some mysterious magical force?! I guess so laughing out loud


No it not one of his powers it one of his assets and has been like that from the start.

Just becuases it some ones power does not mean it makes anymore senses or any more valid then wolverines skeleton being connected to one another.

It been a part of him since his entrance into the X-Men, as had Colossus ability to turn to solid metal. So colossus can move without a single explantion how his solid metal body is able to function and move, but Logan doing the same is some how rediculous? Just becuases it his "power" does not explain why he can do it. He simply can it part of his character as is Wolverines skeleton being connected.

There is no differences and both have evidences that prove they can. It a fact and not debatable.

Also Ice mans power was not original the ability to turn to solid ice. This was added later and yet you allow it with out question, but wolverines skeleton being connect like it has been from the start is just to rediculous to you.

Your only real problem with it is the fact it Wolverine. Other wise you would not care.

Logan skeleton is connect it a fact and may evidences proves it without a doubt. So you really have no leg to stand on in this argeument.

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no, i have a problem with it not because it doesn't make sense...as you said, it's a friggin comic, things don't make sense

I have a problem with it because NO ONE ever stated Logan's skeleton is specially connected...if some writer adds this to Logan's attributes, I would have no problem with it at all, but no writer has. as far as we know, logan's skeletal structure is same as any other persons...ie they're connected at joints by tendons and cartilage, which are not unbreakable at all

anyways, it looks like you're not going to switch your position, so we should just agree to disagree


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Originally posted by Master-Borg
no, i have a problem with it not because it doesn't make sense...as you said, it's a friggin comic, things don't make sense

I have a problem with it because NO ONE ever stated Logan's skeleton is specially connected...if some writer adds this to Logan's attributes, I would have no problem with it at all, but no writer has. as far as we know, logan's skeletal structure is same as any other persons...ie they're connected at joints by tendons and cartilage, which are not unbreakable at all

anyways, it looks like you're not going to switch your position, so we should just agree to disagree


Yes it a comic.

Here the thing it was not added it been there from day one. Actaully your assuming that his skeleton structureis the same as a normal humans when we know it not. for one he has claws, and teeth that are far more canine then human. So actaully why would it need to be stated? It been like that from the start, it was not added in. Your the one who assumed his skeleton was the same as a humans. You assume that the bones are connect by tendons which has never been stated and from the first time we viewed his skeleton it has been shown to be connect.

So your on biases for your onpion is extremely off, becauses you have been assumthing something that from the start was wrong.

It not a matter of disagreeing, your wrong plain and simply. I have evidence you do not.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer


It not a matter of disagreeing, your wrong plain and simply. I have evidence you do not.
Your evidence is very weak. We assume Wolverine's skeletal structure resembles human skeletal structure unless stated otherwise.

You are the only one who believes Logan's skeleton is 'magically' connected together. Nobody else agrees with you.


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Originally posted by Battlehammer
Did I say they lose? Nope.

also movie Hulk was a complete joke.


Actaully Grey Hulk lost he was KO which is a win on the forum.


616 arms can not be ripped off. It been tried before and they all failed. His skeleton is linked to gather


so he has adamantium tendons as well as bones - where does it state this. If not his arms can be pulled from their socklets.

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Wolverine's limbs cannot be separated from his body, it is never explained, but that is how it is.


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Wolverine's limbs cannot be separated from his body, it is never explained, but that is how it is.


so where is it stated that they cannotbe separated.

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so where is it stated that they cannotbe separated.


Well, Nitro reduced Wolverine to nothing but bones and he didn't fall apart.

Look on the last page at Battlehammer's scans.

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Your evidence is very weak. We assume Wolverine's skeletal structure resembles human skeletal structure unless stated otherwise.


My evidence is very weak? You don’t even have any evidences. I have a number of issues and scans that prove my point with out a shred of doubt, but you simply ignore them, mostly due to your reluctances to allow Wolverine anything with out a long drawn out argument in which you never use evidences and simply ignore mine.

Why do we assume his skeleton structure is the same as a normal human? I mean we have never been told that Beast skeleton structure is the same as normal humans nor that of Night Crawlers and we know that they are not from simply viewing the two of them.

Your assumption that we should assume that Wolverine skeleton structure is that of a normal human’s baffles me, because he a mutant which means he genetically not the same as a human which means there no reason to assume his skeleton structure is devised the same way.

Then there also the fact that the first time his skeleton is viewed on panel it is shown to be connected, so your reason for saying it not is rather ridiculous since are first view of which shows your assumptions to be incorrect and off base.

Also the dumbest part of your entire assumption is that you think Wolverine skeleton structure is the same as that of a human when his mutation directly altered his physical abilities and skeleton.

The claws should have been a dead give away that Logan skeleton structure is not the same as a humans since normal humans don’t have six claws that are a foot a piece.

Oh there also Uncanny X-Men issue 92: which Wolverine, jean and Banshee are captured and scanned. The captures are not even sure that Logan is a mutant because his readings are nothing like the other two. Meaning that his body structure is nothing like jean or banshee who both have human body structures and they know that he clearly not human.

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You are the only one who believes Logan's skeleton is 'magically' connected together. Nobody else agrees with you.

I don’t think it magically connect, just simply connected. Nor am I the only one that think this. There been a debate on it in the past and the prove held that his skeleton was completely connected.

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Originally posted by severance
so where is it stated that they cannotbe separated.

Did you miss my scanns? Two of which showed the skeleton connected. One of which showed Ba'al a class 100 failing to ripp Logans arms out of it sockate becases there connected.

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Did you miss my scanns? Two of which showed the skeleton connected. One of which showed Ba'al a class 100 failing to ripp Logans arms out of it sockate becases there connected.


yes i did miss the scans apologies skim reading failure.

I think this shows yet again a paucity in the writing talent of some mags. The only thing that holds joints together are fleshy tissues like tendons and ligaments. The first two scans I would put down to poor artwork and understanding of anatomy and the third one ("why can I not tear you apart?" "because of my adamantium bones") because of poor writing and again lack of understanding of anatomy. I will not be satisfied with this until marvel states that Wolverines anatomy is significantly different (barring the claws) from a human.


For instance if he does not have tendons then how does he actually flex his joints. What you are describing here is something more akin to terminator than a mutant human.

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Im willing to suspend belief on a lot of things because they are obviously works of fiction. But Colossus turning metal is his power. Wolverine wasnt born with adamantium, so him somehow being able to bend the metal to move his joints is simply an oversight. Theres countless examples of these sorts of things, some of which are corrected later. Galactus first appeared with a giant "G" on his belt, despite being from outer space is just one of 'em.
And whos to say Ultimate Hulk is weaker than his 616 counterpart? I generally dislike most Hulk incarnations, but this guy is a beast. Ultimate Hulk has yet to reach his limit. Hes more agressive than Savage Hulk, is smarter, and fights dirtier just because it amuses him. He doesnt need to pull Wolverine's arms out of their sockets to beat him.

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Originally posted by Master-Borg
Colossus' POWER is to turn to steel.

Iceman's POWER is to turn to ice.

Sentry's POWER is to have the power of stars.

Does Wolverine's POWER include having a skeleton that is mysteriously not connected by tendon or cartilage but some mysterious magical force?! I guess so laughing out loud


maybe not.. but likewise to the artists depiction argument, couldn't it also be said that it's a narrative depiction of logans character to keep his bones from being seperated by class 100 level opponents?


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so as ive proven and jinzin and srank over and over is that Logans bones are connected.

To ignores this fact based on it not being realistic ina world were people turn to solid metal, lift biulding and so forth is rediculous.

It been depicted this way from day one. It been on pannel scans that show this to be true.

People of class 100 have tried to ripp him a apart and failled.

People have tried to cut in between his adamatium and have failed.

People have scanned his body and were unsure he even was human, but they new for a fact e clearly was not human.

His attonomy has never been that of a humans. To assume so would be ignoring his very core of his character.

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Now that I think of it I remember reading some old Hulk comics where someone impales themself on Wolverine's claws. In this future setting Wolverine's skeleton is still together. As a matter of fact, every future where you see Wolverine's skeleton, its still in one piece.

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