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I don't get this logic :/

so you can siphon god's power but can't copy it? based on what exactly?

For one:
Because in coping it your saying he can copy gods power. Where as in Siphoning it your just taking it from a person weaker then God that is was given to.


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Originally posted by Tazer
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right, and there he copied LT's ability to have a tri-face.

now, unless U can show us ANY OTHER ABILITY/POWER that LT displayed and/or that Protege copied from him in that issue.....yur point is null & void.




thats not an argument Im defending, ALTHO since God does give Spec his power he would technically be copying His power.......sorta.

but regardless, I *did answer* the question that was asked; that U changed it afterward is another story.



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The writer's intentions were very clear, he copied the power of the Lt. Sure,he doesnt have the feats and was quickly stopped right afterwards by Scathan. You can disagree with me if you want but my interpretation is obviously different than yours. Again he doesnt copy character's forms but their powers.

Did you read the quote where I said to prove this? I meant prove everything he claimed. Not my fault you missed that.


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god didnt stop Spectre's power in dov.
as a matter of fact, god [ie. the "higher authority"] was the only one who could stop spectre's power in dov:

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as a matter of fact, god [ie. the "higher authority"] was the only one who could stop spectre's power in dov:

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Yes,due to Nabu letting him kill him. Spectre's actions when this reprehensible were stopped but this actually proves my point. BA could steal the Spectre's power and this had nothing to do with god allowing it. god only stepped in when he needed to. Nabu knew this.

Imo, Spectre would have lost to Captain Marvel if Enchantress hadnt gone evil.


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At the end of DOV do you remember when takes him and shoves him into a new body against Spectre's will? Spectre is only what God allows him to be.


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spectre ftw,why because protege is bullshit


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Yo.

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Originally posted by quanchi112 The writer's intentions were very clear, he copied the power of the Lt. Sure,he doesnt have the feats and was quickly stopped right afterwards by Scathan. You can disagree with me if you want but my interpretation is obviously different than yours. Again he doesnt copy character's forms but their powers.


no, he copies *powers/abilities that he observes* which is EXACTLY wat he did.....and ALL that he did.

so, unless ya wanna put forward that Scathan was MORE POWERFUL than the LT then this is the only way to interpret wat happend.


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Originally posted by quanchi112 Did you read the quote where I said to prove this? I meant prove everything he claimed. Not my fault you missed that.


I supported the statement made in the post that U replied to with "Prove it."; its not my fault U want me to prove something else for an argument that Im NOT supporting nor can realize it yet.

perhaps U should read wat a person is saying instead of wat U want them to say??





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At the end of DOV do you remember when takes him and shoves him into a new body against Spectre's will? Spectre is only what God allows him to be.
god shoved him in because he was being a very bad spectre. do you think god wanted him to destroy magic? I mean the Spectre didnt even understand that he wasnt even destroying it. Spectre needs a host because on his own he can get talked into things,ex:Eclipso.


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Yes,due to Nabu letting him kill him. Spectre's actions when this reprehensible were stopped but this actually proves my point. BA could steal the Spectre's power and this had nothing to do with god allowing it. god only stepped in when he needed to. Nabu knew this.

Imo, Spectre would have lost to Captain Marvel if Enchantress hadnt gone evil.
your exact statement was, "god didn't stop Spectre's power in dov." i merely responded with scans proving the inaccuracy of said statement. nothing more. smile


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no, he copies *powers/abilities that he observes* which is EXACTLY wat he did.....and ALL that he did.

so, unless ya wanna put forward that Scathan was MORE POWERFUL than the LT then this is the only way to interpret wat happend.




I supported the statement made in the post that U replied to with "Prove it."; its not my fault U want me to prove something else for an argument that Im NOT supporting nor can realize it yet.

perhaps U should read wat a person is saying instead of wat U want them to say??





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Scathan was equal to or greater than the Lt there.

Again you responed to one small part of his post. Thats fine. I am glad to see you dont support his whole argument.


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god shoved him in because he was being a very bad spectre. do you think god wanted him to destroy magic? I mean the Spectre didnt even understand that he wasnt even destroying it. Spectre needs a host because on his own he can get talked into things,ex:Eclipso.


Yes but that as well as past events show the level of control God has over the Spectre and his power. He wouldn't allow him to use the power against Libra.

God stop him when he wants, it's not easy to understand due to that whole "working in mysterious ways" thing.


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Scathan was equal to or greater than the Lt there.

Again you responed to one small part of his post. Thats fine. I am glad to see you dont support his whole argument.


Scathan never has, nor was ever shown, to be = the LT; mis-interpreting that scene has led any1 thinking so to an erroneous conclusion.

and I only responded to the request that was made, nothing more.





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For one:
Because in coping it your saying he can copy gods power. Where as in Siphoning it your just taking it from a person weaker then God that is was given to.
By Siphoning gods power it would indicate that its powers can be manipulated in one form or another, so I don’t see why copying would be any different than siphoning.

If a weaker person has gods power and that power can be taken from him would make it that the person does not have gods power but merely a fraction of it , just by the fact it was siphoned.

I don’t see why you can’t copy fraction of god’s power

In a since everything is God’s power unless shown somewhere in comics it’s not illogical for it to be steeling

But will copying spectre make pro = God I think not


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This thread shouldn't even have gotten to two comments.


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Because the power is God's not Spectre's.

Siphoning is not the same as copying. What is hard to get about that?

Siphoning God's power from someone less powerful then God is different then trying to copy that power itself. Besides has it ever been shown that Protege can copy power someone has that is given to them from another source?


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Because the power is God's not Spectre's.

Siphoning is not the same as copying. What is hard to get about that?

Siphoning God's power from someone less powerful then God is different then trying to copy that power itself. Besides has it ever been shown that Protege can copy power someone has that is given to them from another source?
based on what tho?
your assuming that specters power = full power of god if it was I whould understand

I never claimed Protege will copy spectre's power :/

see if I can sihpon spectres power will I be able to sihpon God itself? No just because spectre is not god and the power he has does not = gods power.

God can be giving spectre 1% of his power for all we know


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Yes but your still not Siphoning the power from God, your Siphoning it from the Spectre.

In copying it you would be copying the power of God's wrath. Nothing on panel shows Protege can do that nor none that I know of that shows he can copy a power that is not naturally that persons power.


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Yes but your still not Siphoning the power from God, your Siphoning it from the Spectre.

In copying it you would be copying the power of God's wrath. Nothing on panel shows Protege can do that nor none that I know of that shows he can copy a power that is not naturally that persons power.
same as In siphoning it you would be siphoning the power of God's wrath.

Why whould god allow one and not the other?


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Your still not getting my point.

In siphoning it from Spectre your only taking it from the Spectre not yourself being at the level of God's power.

Also you still haven't answered this question. Has Protege ever taken a power from someone that is not naturally theirs?

Also you bring up another point, would God allow Protege to have the power anyways?


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Your still not getting my point.
I do I just don't agree with you analogy

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In siphoning it from Spectre your only taking it from the Spectre not yourself being at the level of God's power.


Well you copy Spectre's power than big grin again your assuming that Spectre power = God full power if not I don't see a problem he will copy a fraction of the power spectre has , just cause it's God's power does not mean it can't be copied unless you can prove otherwise. I understand perfect what you are saying and I disagree unless I see some evidence.
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Also you still haven't answered this question. Has Protege ever taken a power from someone that is not naturally theirs?

Not claiming he will copy Spectre
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Also you bring up another point, would God allow Protege to have the power anyways?
up to god but i don't think you can copy god's full power.


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