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Mindset
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Do you have the scan or issue number?

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May 28th, 2009 04:31 AM

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Arishema or whatever that female Celestial was named.

May 28th, 2009 04:35 AM

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I don't have it, but I think it was after Onslaught saga, when he was creating pocket universe subconsciously. I am not sure.

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Well, I'd rather not revisit the Onslaught Saga, so I'll just agree with you.

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Originally posted by CATMANEXE

remember Franklin created a terrasect space and reincarnated and recreated an entire universe within that with no effort and as an afterthought

Franky created a pocket Universe, nothing more.

That's still impressive, considering he was an underdeveloped child.

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Originally posted by CATMANEXE

Jaspers is "potentially" an omniversal threat
but has never come close to some of Franklins feats.

You must not know what Jaspers or Franklin have done, to make this claim.

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Originally posted by CATMANEXE

also he isnt omnipotent, he plays it by ear,
and generally screws around and puts himself in a bad spot.

If by "he isn't omnipotent" you mean,
he could only be defeated by an induced plot device, (Fury)
then yea, I suppose he wasn't.

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Reality Warpers are unaffected by each others effects.

This isn't true, atleast when it concerns Marvel.

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Originally posted by CATMANEXE

they would need to get to each other by surrounding means.

im leaning to Franklin, his showings are alot higher

Franky created a pocket Universe, and one day will rival a Celestial.

Jaspers became the 616 Reality, was immune to spatial/temporal nullification,
and was more powerful than omniversal power matrix/Merlyn.

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Originally posted by CATMANEXE

and i could see him scoring a BFR via creating an infinate terrasect space, something he has done on more than one occasion, in which to lose Jaspers temporarily.

... right, cause it's so easy to just bfr Jaspers,
or is this a match where Franky does the striking,
and we just wait and see if Jaspers can withstand it or not?

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Originally posted by Enyalus
Arishema or whatever that female Celestial was named.

Ashema the Listener. She also brought Frankie back to life

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Originally posted by Mindset

Are you sure it was a Celestial who said that,
and that it was about potential?

Roma also stated that Franky's potential was to reach that of a Celestial.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma also stated that Franky's potential was to reach that of a Celestial.

Which does not amount to much. A Celestial�s power level varies.

Could be a low as Ashema or as High as the Fulcrum.

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Could be a low as Ashema or as High as the Fulcrum.

Meh, Ashema, or the Fulcrum, whatever,
both are below 616 Eternity,
and Jaspers replaced that which is above any Celestial save for Scathan.

MJJ wins here in a stomp
based on feats, potential, implied power,
and possible alternate future feats as well.
(like when Cobweb saw MJJ cancelling out the entire Omniverse had Fury not stopped him)

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About Fulcrum, is anything new about him I didn't know?

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Meh, Ashema, or the Fulcrum, whatever,
both are below 616 Eternity,
and Jaspers replaced that which is above any Celestial save for Scathan.

MJJ wins here in a stomp
based on feats, potential, implied power,
and possible alternate future feats as well.
(like when Cobweb saw MJJ cancelling out the entire Omniverse had Fury not stopped him)

She could have been talking about Scathan.

So I'm not sure about potential, especially since both are omegas and Franklin's feats were all performed as a child.

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About Fulcrum, is anything new about him I didn't know?

Nothing new since Marvel killed the series mad

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Originally posted by Mindset

She could have been talking about Scathan.

Heh.

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So I'm not sure about potential,
especially since both are omegas
and Franklin's feats were all performed as a child.

Forget about potential,
if we go by potential,
then every human being will manifest unlimited power,
every human being will become their own Eternity,
basically,
every human being transitioning from mutant to beyond,
will be GOD! .. or a GOD unto themselves in their own infinite reality.

This is all on panel Marvel canon concerning the future of Humanity.

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May 28th, 2009 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Heh.

Forget about potential,
if we go by potential,
then every human being will manifest unlimited power,
every human being will become their own Eternity,
basically,
every human being transitioning from mutant to beyond,
will be GOD! .. or a GOD unto themselves in their own infinite reality.

This is all on panel Marvel canon concerning the future of Humanity.

We aren't talking about every human, or any human for that matter.

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May 28th, 2009 07:46 AM

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We aren't talking about every human, or any human for that matter.

Well, Franky was produced by human beings (Reed & Sue),
being a mutant doesn't take away from that fact,
being a mutant only signifies that he was born with his power,
unlike his parents who acquired them.

And I brought up humans,
because all humans will benefit from the destiny force equally,
from aunt May to Franklin.

Yes, even the souls of human beings who never evolved a mutation,
will embrace the destiny force.

So again, full potential concerning any human/mutant being,
equals to being their own God, withIN their own infinite reality.

As for this fight in particular: (excluding the destiny force which affects all equally)

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Originally posted by Mr Master

MJJ wins here in a stomp
based on feats, potential (basic), implied power,
and possible alternate future feats as well.
(like when Cobweb saw MJJ cancelling out the entire Omniverse had Fury not stopped him)

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, Franky was produced by human beings (Reed & Sue),
being a mutant doesn't take away from that fact,
being a mutant only signifies that he was born with his power,
unlike his parents who acquired them.

And I brought up humans,
because all humans will benefit from the destiny force equally,
from aunt May to Franklin.

Yes, even the souls of human beings who never evolved a mutation,
will embrace the destiny force.

So again, full potential concerning any human/mutant being,
equals to being their own God, withIN their own infinite reality.

As for this fight in particular: (excluding the destiny force which affects all equally)

Ok.

Potential wise they are even.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mindset
Potential wise they are even.

I think that neither MJJ or Franklin represents the future of human kind. They will be vastly more powerful. They do have to evolve further to reach that point. But yeah, basically, everyone in the end will become that.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mr Master
Meh, Ashema, or the Fulcrum, whatever,
both are below 616 Eternity,
and Jaspers replaced that which is above any Celestial save for Scathan.

MJJ wins here in a stomp
based on feats, potential, implied power,
and possible alternate future feats as well.
(like when Cobweb saw MJJ cancelling out the entire Omniverse had Fury not stopped him)

Why wouldn�t the Fulcrum be placed above all Celestials including Scathan?

The point is �Implied Power� or "Potential" has vary little face value. Let it be Jaspers and its hyperbolic �Omniverse� potential or Franklin Richards extrapolated �Celestia" level.

We can only take into account what both can do at a given time, and I favor the boy that can toss Big Bang like attacks at his enemies.

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