I must admit I have no idea what he meant by saying "to everyone sleeping deeply on this continent". I have never played this game and can't really put it into context. Fact is, the Pig says that time has stopped for everyone in the world. The old man certainly wasn't 'sleeping deeply', but he was still frozen.
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So? Gandalf who is a Wizard can sleep with his eyes open, you cant take what you see from a gameplay perspective to what an actual canon character says in a cutscene, especially one where he outlines who he is targeting with the spell...which is everyone sleeping deeply on the continent, thats what he targeted the spell at. If I could see a lot of people frozen with their eyes open then I may think on it, but I wont contradict the pig who actually made the spell happen in canon cutscene....
You mean that he fell into deep sleep in that short gap between him talking to Tomba and between Tomba talking to the Pig? Now that's really reaching for it.
Besides, he's "sleeping" standing up and with his eyes open.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
I was speaking from the point of view of Moo and those who want to see the pig beat Kain, he could indeed be falliable, but then again until a cutscene that shows anyone and everyone frozen in time happens, the pig is the best source of information on the move.
Although you obvioulsy have no understanding of the words "could" since i said that before actually seeing the scene.....
Maybe, but then again using gameplay display as a way to gauge canon is a fairly big reach as well considering the one who made the spell happen disagrees with you....
K. Well lets look at what the pig says right after he says "Time...Stop!"
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Yeah, Time has stopped for everyone in the world. No "sleeping deeply" bullshit contradicts that. And it's not even just the continent, it's the whole world.
And he let just himself and Tomba be immune to it. So not only can he stop time, he demonstrates a good control over who and what he stops.
So, he freezes Kain in time and puts him in a park somewhere as a statue for everyone to see. Pigeon poop and all.
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This is not really one of those cases that a cutscene would show anything different from what we see in gameplay. Everything is frozen. If we saw a cutscene, I sincerely doubt it would show everyone not frozen.
The Pig doesn't disagree with me any more or less than it does with you. He states that "Time has stopped for everyone in the world".
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
No because after hes actually cast the spell he is more falliable, because you see he is casting the spell before he actually says "time---stop!" unless ofc the whole world is a continent. Thing is everyone does not really contradict everything, he could mean "everyone" as in everyone who is in a deep sleep.
He never says that at all, its probably more along the lines of what he actually says, since neither him or Tomba are in a deep sleep, so therefore their not frozen...the dog is not frozen either btw, that allows Tomba to fly around...
So he tries to freeze time but realises Kains not in a deep sleep and thinks "sh**" before Kain punches him and his head explodes.
It shows canon, gameplay could have that wizard frozen as to not side track the player into trying to talk with it. Theres many gameplay moments where characters are moving or are in a state that is apart from the canon.
Thats after his intitial spell and him and the boy so he becomes more falliable but more importantly probably more taunting, the boy and himself not being frozen is contradiction to "everyone" anyway.
I think you mistook my bolding as an anchor for what the pig actually emphasized. The phrase "everyone in the world" means what it says, everyone in the world, regardless of your deep sleep nonsense.
The pig may be immune to his own spell, but Tomba? Nonsense. The pig let Tomba stay unfrozen because he wanted Tomba to stay unfrozen.
So yeah, back to Kain being a statue. It'd be lulzy.
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You mean regardless of the pigs deep sleep nonsense?
This is a very big assumption.
Kain will never be frozen in time no matter what you want to think on the use of the Pigs words...even if you want to pick and choose what bits you like most and ignore the rest.
exactley....so thats not everyone is it, him and Tomba are the only two we can definatley say were not asleep. Along side the dog which allows him to fly and w/e that fairy thing is next to Tomba as well....
The only relevent parts in the pigs spell are those before he actually casts it, otherwise its exageration and hyperbole.
No, it's not. Tomba never gets one item in the whole game or anything that will let him be immune to anyone's magic. I've played the game, you haven't because you like dark and gritty "adult" nonsense. Man...your life must suck something terrible.
He is frozen in time. Because Kainen was not asleep RIGHT BEFORE you went into the room. You talk to him, he's awake. It's a cutscene, he gives you the Evil Pig bag and tells you where he found it.
Kainen might be old, but he's not falling asleep. And neither is EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD at the precise moment that pig casts his spell.
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I like how you keep picking on what you wanted me to be implying in the other thead and ive ignored you until now, THERE! i gave you some attension to that annoying comment you keep making, will you shut up now?
How do you know hes not? he may be exausted, hes old, he could have fallen asleep now that he knows he can rest easy knowing Tomba is about to stop the evil pig....
But anyway, Kain busts the pig with a punch, or makes the pig freeze itself in time.
The Evil Pig of Time says,"To everyone sleeping deeply in the world...TIME...STOP!"
That is such obvious narrative hyperbole it is not even funny, are you REALLY going to tell me that he meant everyone who is sleeping on the planet was frozen, no one else?
Kainen was not sleeping, he was floating in mid-air when you spoke to him last, yet he was frozen. Of course, you probably think that in the short amount of time you left him alone, he fell asleep, right? You are reaching. Your argument, as usual, is shit.
He directly then states that EVERYONE in the world is frozen except for him and Tomba, that is a clear statement, unlike the narrative hyperbole you are using as "evidence." Your notion that because he said that after he casted the spell makes it more fallible is bullshit.
I'm not picking on what I wanted you to imply. I'm picking on what you did imply. If you can't read your own posts or understand the implications you give, that's your problem.
I do enjoy your own assumptions though. What's that called when neither of us can prove something? A fallacy? I'm serious here, I don't know what the term is.
I can't see how he'll be doing that. You know, since he's frozen and all.
I like when you type. Whenever you use the three dots in a row it's like you're pausing for dramatic effect. It makes me smile on the inside.
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Continent, not world, this is the actual spell that he casts....hes addressing those he is casting it on, and then he casts the spell, afterwards then its narrative hyperbole because he has cast the spell. nothing states he actually spared Tomba at all, the fact him and Tomba and the other silly critters like the flying fairy thing are all happy flying buddies and quite unnaffected.
ime reaching for what? ive already told the opposition theres no chance the pig could hit Kain with this spell....ime just enjoying outling how wrong you are by the fact the pig makes a clear statement for his spell....
No you see youve swapped them around, narrative hyperbole comes after the real action, you even hear the change in his voice...what he says before casting the spell is him addressing those who are part of the spell, him, Tomba and that flying thing next to Tomba are not said to be part of the spell or excempt from it apart from the fact their not asleep.
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