the shang chi training is 1st class and i believe is non canon seeing as shang had never met logan until the late 90's,... logan and shang hadnt met prior to that seriously poor continuity.. but anyways.. when logan falls into the MA world they are always seem to be prenatural not just human.. or they cheat poison him or set him up.. examples canceling out his HF with tailored drugs designed just for him..
ps logan has dozens of fights where he steam rolls right through peak/olympic humans with no other power but just skill.. so its not like it isnt a norm for logan not to do so..
Dick decides to stop being a dick and takes up Jason on his "Still brothers" offer. He and Arsenal then go out shopping as Jason steamrolls Logan.
Then penetrates Babs
In a Fury, Dick and Arsenal attempt to take down Jason. the epic beatdown afterwards only ends when Jason strikes a match on Dicks now exposed skull, lights a cigar, and heads back over to Bab's.
logan has steamed rolled through cap of all ppl while handicapped brainwashed.. if you read manifest destiny you see him do it to an elite team of MA'ers with mystic abilities..
Zaran had to poison logan to even have a chance and he failed miserably even with the handicap..
same with shingen although logan lost the 1st fight the second fight in he won fight only lasted like three or four pages..
again logan steam rolled through shingen, lazear, shogun and the female sorcerer two at a time and even three...
if you read more wolverine the logan struggling with one relative known hero is not the norm not by far by his established history its done to sell comics and make one or both look good rather then to write the obvious outcome.
I know that Elektra has more wins on him than vice-versa, and taunts him on the fact.
One peak-human doing well against him happens enough to no longer be considered a fluke even if he has an edge. Can he win quickly? Yes. Is it a given? Far from it!
And this isn't even one, it's two! Two on one is rather more difficult than one on one.
she is a trained mystic ninja with added psionic abilities who has knowledge of logan and she hasnt beaten him where she can claim it as a win but simply survived the encounters care to tell me how she won?
she sure as hell hasnt ko'ed him as far as i remember or BFR.. maybe momentarily incapacitate him or get some points in sparring match..
logan has said it himself he is faster stronger better fighter the her but she always wins,,, in what exercise fighting and her picking fights with him.. what did elekra do? read his mind and said yes to all of them but difference is she said she fights to kill where logan does not he holds back.. which is why she always wins their little games.
fail on the elektra dick comparison by a long shot..
by the way during a training session logan moved so fast he jumped over elektra in mid leap and sheath the sword he had in his hand back into its sheath on elektra's back b4 she landed or knew what logan did.. logan stated he wasnt in the mood to fight or train with her and hinted at the outcome.
also brain washed logan fight inside a ship corridor is not a win for elektra if your counting that.. she stated herself she couldnt get near logan and knew she was outclassed by logan hence she used shield agents as distraction and timing.. difference is logan was brainwashed and his CIS wasnt the norm when it comes to her..
might as well claim shadowcat, yukio are all better fighters then him b/c he would never risk harming them in a real fight or training practice and they capitalize on that fact..
and neither dick or roy have any superhuman speed reaction time, durability.. Hf or even close to logan's lvl of MA knowledge skill or even spirit A.Q. Aggressive Qualities..
Random no-name 'elite martial artists' are not exactly Nightwing.
These two have taken on groups of deadly fighters on many occasions too, y'know.
They have, however, taken on people with more superhuman speed, reaction time, durability (who also had healing factors even)... Dick's one of the most agile people on the planet too, and they're skilled enough to fight someone of his level. Roy's plenty accurate to hit him too, without worrying about hitting Dick.
And it's two-on-one, so it's not even a question of whether one of them could do it.
I have never heard of "Lazaer" and "Phaedra" before this thread and a check on the marvel wikia shows they're both recent and Lazaer is a supernatural who skilled humans have beaten before multiple times.
Sabertooth, Lady Deathstrike, Shingen? Those are all ones that give him very hard fights. Shingen especially is a good example of my point. Logan does not walk over these people easily every time, it's a pretty absurd suggestion to say that he does.
Occasionally Wolverine will have an odd fight where he beats his tough foes quickly (and likewise there is times when Nightwing has flat-out outmaneuvered Deathstroke), but of course they have plenty of good showings against him too.
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Elektra is strictly a meta to superhuman and has powers abilities and skills that outstrip Robin by multitudes...
The only times that Logan's ever had problems with peak humans and olympic level beings is when he's
1.) Compromised in his healing factor or brainwashed to compensate for the person he's fighting.
2.) The person he's fighting has non physical superhuman attributes like TP.
or 3.) Straight up Ennis PIS.
Other than that.. yeah he typically tends to steamroll through streets, even skilled streets. That's just the way it is.
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
at Azreal, the Angel of Death being a no-name fighter
