No, force precog is indeed a valuable weapon, it's just that here it is next to useless. With all the shit going on around them, the force users cannot possibly focus on it all at once. They will fall to fiendfyre, a death spell, or one of the other many attacks that the wizards have to offer.
Apparition allows the wizards to teleport anywhere they want at any time. In a force pull, push or choke, the wizard merely apparates away. Force lightning? Could be a slight problem, but if Sidious has a wizard in force lightning, he leaves himself open for fiendfyre or a death spell.
Just accept that HP wizard powers and HP wizards in general are more than the best force users can handle.
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Jedi form a ring around Vader who starts crushing throats or heads as quickly as he can. The rest protect him with their lives, leaping in front of spells if they have too (seeing as morals are off). Foresight and prep have him know which wizard to target first so Dumbles and Voldemort die inside of the first second. The rest fall pretty easily. I must say your strange obsession to prove that HP magic>the Force is pretty funny, particularily when if all bets were off the Force would rape so hard its sad.
And as the Jedi/Sith drop, one by one, Vader will be exposed. He will die. Just like the rest.
How exactly do Dumbledore and Voldemort fall first? Said foresight and prep works way in the wizards favor. The wizards, after all, can apparate away when attacked.
So Vader let's loose with force crush. The force users surround him, defending him. They will have to deal with fiendfyre, death spells, deadly potions being dropped from above, their comrades being frozen where they stand (Aresto Momentum, incarcerous and Petrificus Totalus), Being blown hundreds of feet into the air and dropping to the pavement (levicorpus), being blown to bits by Reducto, being tortured by crucio, impedimenta and imperio, engorgio, prisoners being turned on them, shield charms, sectumsempra (basically a sword that can attack from hundreds of feet away), apparating and half apparating wizards, and Lord knows what else.
On a side note, why wasn't Sidious crushed by the force crush? Careful on this one, mind your answer.
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The battle starts, they both apparate away. Voldemort reappears hundreds of feet away, casts fiendfyre, apparates away.
Dumbledore reappears, casts more fiendfyre, apparates away.
Voldemort reappears, casts MORE fiendfyre, then apparates away.
Dumbledore reappears, casts Petrificus totalus on a force user, apparates away.
Voldemort reappears, death spells said force user, apparates away.
Shower, rinse, repeat. The wizards will always be hundreds of feet away, and IF they are caught in a force attack, they simply apparate away.
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The novel says that that's actually what he was doing: trying to kill Sidious for basically ruining his life. But Sidious is just so much stronger than him that it was like pissing in the wind. I suppose to translate it onto the screen that would be the part where everything starts humming. When he failed he just started cushing stuff.
Um....No. Sidious, for all his power, is flesh and bone. He is injured just as easily as you and I.
It can be translated only two ways:
The force crush is a targeted attack, or it does not work on humans.
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Sidious was unharmed. The bed Vader was on was unharmed. Why didn't the building fold, crumble and collapse? The only possible answer is because Vader targeted and force crushed what he chose to, what was in his line of sight. If you watch closely, all that is destroyed is to his left, to his right, and in front of him.
Sidious? Only two reasons he wasn't crushed. One, Vader chose not to target him. Or two, he was able to force block it somehow.
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But the question remains, why wasn't the building destroyed? Why were the items destroyed only to Vaders left, right and in front of him? Look in the background, there is a panel with red lights, and the overhead lights, why were they not destroyed? And the floor lights? Why were they not destroyed?
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Its the second one. And of course he has to target it. Its not like a wave of destruction; thats Force Wave. But thanks to his extra-sensory powers he doesn't have to look at what he targets or even be that close.
I see. Speculating, but OK. And when a wizard apparates from point A (where Vader targets initially) and reappears at point B (500 feet and behind Vader, 50 stories up ), you think he can redirect it before he is spelled?
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And Vader, having the superior reactions, will crush Dumbledore and Voldemorts necks before they manage to apparate. In the scene it takes less than a second (around a third) to crush steel. Make of that what you will but still:
This all relies on his precog, to sense where they will reappear. But, as I have proven, precog is shit here. Too much going on around Vader to focus on where a wizard will apparate to. Takes even less time to apparate, like a microsecond. If Vader focuses completely on Voldemort and where Voldemort will reappear, he's toast, literally, fiendfyre will roast him.
Another thing. fawkes the Phoenix has tears that can heal wounds FTW, and Dumbledore can summon him any time he wishes.
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Really now? I took 20 badass wizards, 20 badass force users, placed them on neutral ground, gave them their powers and abilities.
I then countered any attack the Force users have with wizard powers.
Force pull, Force choke, Force push and Force lightning? All countered and escaped by Apparating.
Jedi precog? With everything happening at once, it's shot to shit.
Saber attacks? The wizards aren't fools, they won't go toe to toe with the force users, they'll get diced to bits.
Now, having said all that, what have I done wrong, really?
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Again, what am I really doing? No one has the advantage at the start of the fight. Equal number of combatants. Neutral ground. Equal knowledge of each other. Powers, weapons and abilities from the movies.
Spell it out for us?
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All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I **** like you wanna ****, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.
Except you're ignoring it's 20 on 20, or 1 on 1. Each Jedi need only focus and kick the shit out of one (or possible a few) wizard. Overwhelmed here? No.
You imagine the wizards, who are all basically human I might add, will be casting spells, while flying, teleporting and [LoL!!!!!!!] "dropping potions from the sky" at some sort of insanely impossible speed where the Jedi's/Sith's precog won't function and somehow, all their Force-powers are "useless", by your account.
This is of course ridiculous going from what we see in the films. But you're a hopeless Harry Potter fanboy, so it's futile debating with you when boy-Potter is concerned. Notice how you stipulated that Potter has his cloak of invisible, telling how you must have him survive. Wizards that can't TP, well, they must have their little broomsticks, all very telling.
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