Stupidity on my part. I forget that a fair bit of posters here need to be spoon fed everything, multiple times, across different threads, and it still might not stick.
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This is the post you quoted:
Did I claim Zeus cannot amp? Even once? No.
Did I not make it clear that I think Odin has a deep reservoir of power that he cannot access in his base form as opposed to Zeus? Yes.
This thread is so awesome. Kurupt completely caught rage and made a fool of him. I applaud you Kurupt.
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rotiart if your gona cosign atleast be right unless thats sarcasm. Rage meant Zeus cant amp in the same way Odin can I have heard him say it numerous times in the past week
Meaning something and saying something are TWO completely different things Ice and you know it. Regardless of what he meant, he didn't say anything like that.
it's kurupts way of straw manning him in order to make a case and shoot him down with his own made up position. he is basically arguing with himself hence why i ignore him and his post concerning this.
as far as i have seen rage has bn very articulate in his post and has posted it more then once no way you can misconstrued it as much as kurupt has for his own argument sake
This is really simple my child... You were mentioning BASE levels and that Odin has a deeper reservoir to call upon... while Zeus you've never seen him be able to call upon any deeper reservoir and thus he's always at base level. You even went so far as to give a > < > on how it breaks down and mention Odin base equals Zeus Base.. Correct. So, it's quite clear then you are saying Zeus ONLY has a base level since he's equal in your formula to base odin and you went further and pointed out you don't feel like zeus has a reservoir to call upon. Yet you claim, you didn't mean Zeus can't amp WTF.. Are you really being this dense and stupid? That is exactly what you were claiming.. he only has a base and nothign further to call upon. I on the other hand.. believe Zeus has a base but most certainly can amp himself and increase his stats BEYOND base level and thus call upon power reservoir you say he doesn't have. I didn't think I had to break it down for a ragey who was pissed he got caught. Sorry buddy you did and it does suck. In fact, when have we ever seen Zeus amp his punches with lighting like he did against Hulk.. has he done that in any fight prior.. I can't recall him doing so.. if so.. he was amping his stats right there and calling upon a deeper reservoir of power.
Not really. Shyte happens on here a lot my man. I've seen threads where people argue over the most minute detail of a scan only because there was just the slightest bit of ambiguity in said scan. It's what turns a 3 page thread into a 30 page thread.
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Last edited by dmills on Feb 10th, 2011 at 05:31 PM
I don’t understand how your mind makes connections. It’s alien to me. I’m going to try really hard not to make a wall of text insulting your intelligence and pointing out your flaws. I’ll attempt to explain this to you one more time. I’ll also point out where you’ve misunderstood me and your leaps in logic.
A large leap indeed. I only specified Odin at base. I never once said that Zeus was limited to his base physical stats nor did I ever claim he cannot amp. I specifically pointed out Odin at base and did not do the same for Zeus for a reason. WORDS HAVE MEANING!
Both Odin and Zeus have base stats. Both Odin and Zeus can amp. But unlike Zeus, Odin has two further levels of power. Zeus does not have the natural restrictions that Odin has. He does not have a deeper reservoir of power that he cannot access. His never showed this, and I’m not going to assume his under the same restrictions. Hence, Zeus has no further well of power to draw on beyond what we’ve seen him capable of. Not difficult to understand.
Can Zeus amp his strength to levels above what he possesses on a daily basis? Of course. I don’t think Zeus walks around channeling all of his power into his stats and such. But if his fighting an opponent beyond him, he cannot simply will himself to reach a higher state of being, where he has access to a noticeably large amount of power. But Odin can. You cannot give beings powers or abilities they have never shown which is what you would have to do for Zeus for you to place him alongside Odin as you are. You'd have to be under the assumption that Zeus can become astronomically more powerful than we've ever seen despite this never being shown and such.
This is the ranking I made and I did it for a reason:
Odin accessing all of his power > Odin in his full power form > Odin at base =/> Zeus
Zeus and Odin at base – This is Zeus in the totality of his power. Not his base level. He has no further reservoirs of energy to draw from, but Odin does. This is why I specified this as a base level Odin. Because he can get a lot more powerful. Zeus cannot. Or at the very least, he has never shown the capability.
Odin in his full power form – This is Odin when he grows to his giant sized form. This is the state in which he can access his full power. This is the state in where he busts and recreates galaxies, goes toe to toe with a Death God who drained the energy of his entire pantheon including the Skyfather etc. For Zeus, growing large is a purely cosmetic choice. For Odin, it means a large increase in power.
Odin accessing all of his power – This is when Odin goes even further, drawing on the power of Asgard and the Asgardians.
I do not understand how I can make it any clearer to you. I have tried across different threads and have said the exact same thing, over and over to you but you just don’t seem to get it.
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His never done it like Odin. Skyfathers in general have the ability to at least lend out a small portion of the totality of it's pantheon's power but we have no idea how limited this ability is, if they need permission, if they can internalize it like Odin can or are limited by distance etc.
Odin on the other hand has literally drawn on the power of Asgard, granting him enough energy to go toe to toe with Seth despite not having the Odin Force. His also shown to have the ability to completely drain the life force of his pantheon and use it for his own purposes or simply drain the energy that gives the Gods their special powers.
I'll attempt this once: We know for a fact that Odin's full power is only accessed when he achieves his full powered form. He walks around at his base. Zeus has not shown that his power is limited thus. He doesn't seem to have any deeper reservoir then what we've seen. It would explain why Odin has such greater feats than Zeus.
This was your quote.. at NO point in this quote do you even allude to Zeus being able to amp his stats... You talk about him having a base level and Odin having a base level. You even go into how you don't believe Zeus has a deeper reservoir to call upon. So you wouldn't take your quote as saying he can't amp beyond his base level? Come on Rage.. maybe that isn't what you meant... but at NO TIME did you allude to Zeus being able to amp his stats and were comparing Odin base level to Zeus's base level. That is what prompted this discussion. I hope you can at least be honest an admit it could be taken that way.
To go further... Who says a deeper reservoir is looked from an outside source... Asgard..people.. etc etc.. Comic book characters have deeper reservoir within themselves. Thus when you said Zeus has no deeper reservoir that is incorrect. As when he gets serious.. as you admit.. he can amp his stats.. which is calling up a reservoir within himself.
Tell me something.. When Odin is talking to Thanos.. and says.. you draw upon a power source as infinite as my own.. what was Odin referring to? Was he calling upon the odin force reservoir within himself.. talking about power within asgard or its people.. what exactly.. and comparing his reservoir to Thanos.. seems like he was saying they are comparable correct? Or you tell me how you view that scene.. I'm curious...
Lastly, maybe I'm mistaken but hasn't Zeus also grown to a much bigger size before? If so, wouldn't that disprove exactly what you're claiming
Because I did not specify Zeus can amp, that means I thought Zeus can’t amp? What kind of fucking retarded argument is that?
I specified Odin at base level only. Not once did I mention Zeus’ base level in my calculations. You’d have to be adding in words that are not present in my posts to come to the conclusions you are.
Stop replying to arguments you form in your head and start replying to the ones I actually make.
I SPECIFIED ODIN ONLY AS HAVING A BASE BECAUSE HE CAN BECOME MUCH MORE POWERFUL BY ENTERING ANOTHER FORM WHICH IS SOMETHING ZEUS HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN TO BE CAPABLE OF DOING.
Zeus does NOT have a deeper reservoir of power. Not like Odin. He holds back like any character, but Odin actually has his power levels increase. Thus, I will not assume that Zeus can become exponentially more powerful by willing it.
Honestly? It’s just Starlin tossing Thanos a bone. It had no more value than Odin saying he had never fought a foe like Thanos for eons. Even in the context of that fight, Odin was clearly a fair bit more powerful than Thanos.
And he’d have to be talking about his base level power because there’s no way in hell that his resources are anywhere near comparable to Odin’s if his getting his ass handed to him by his base level.
Odin can get noticeably more powerful by growing larger. His power more than doubles in that state by drawing on the power of Asgard and the Asgardians. I.e. the Odin that was kicking Thanos around? That Odin would be a speck compared to how powerful he can get.
Of course I could be way off and Starlin might not know Odin's capabilities.
By the way, he never said it was as large as his own. Just close. The way he phrased it was weird however. The only comparable scene I can think of was when Walker pointed out Thanos -or a clone- drawing on external power from his ship for the battle.
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Last edited by Rage.Of.Olympus on Feb 10th, 2011 at 10:32 PM
That's not what Odin said though. Iirc he said that he can see Thanos "drawing power from dark sources and that he too could draw upon them" or something to that affect. A little different context don't cha think? Of course, I could've missed something.
Last edited by dmills on Feb 10th, 2011 at 10:41 PM
You're a ****ing moron... You don't mention Zeus can amp.. and talk about how he only has a base level.. talk about how he has no other reservoir to call upon (forgetting like many comic book characters they have external and internal reservoirs) So you don't mention he can amp.. continually talk about him only having a base level and nothing to call upon.. yet this meant he can amp... YOu're truly and idiot of epic proportions.
Throwing him a bone... you mean it's an on panel fact that Odin hadn't faced a foe like that in eons? Or the on panel fact that thanos was drawing upon a power source almost as infinite as my own.. was his quote. You don't like it.. tough luck.. on panel canon statements
If you're going to correct me.. maybe you should get it right.. don't you think? What he said was... you draw upon a dark source ALMOST as INFINITE as MINE. Not close to what you said but much closer to what I said.
I told you this many times over. I never once mentioned Zeus' base. I never once said that Zeus cannot amp. Provide a quote or concede.
I did however claim that Zeus has never shown to be able to drawn on a much larger reservoir of energy and grow exponentially in power like Odin has. Which is true.
Haha, the poor Thanos cock cobbler. Odin has faced Forsung, Surtur, Infinity, Seth, the fourth Celestial Host, but who are they compared to Thanos?
It was phrased even weirder than I remembered. But one things for sure, Thanos has no where near the reserves Odin has unless his hiding some cosmic artifact in one of his orifices.
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Last edited by Rage.Of.Olympus on Feb 10th, 2011 at 10:56 PM
So again you're a moron... You don't mention Zeus can amp AT ALL ANYWHERE.. yet this was suppose to mean you believe he can amp... Idiot
Sorry bud, it was said and whether you like it or not.. doesn't really change a thing. Your bed buddy said that about Thanos. Ooo and he very well could have such a thing in his OrIfices
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This is the post you quoted:
Feb 10th, 2011 08:39 AM
...This has turned into Zeus vs. Odin....
