Yeah, I mean, I guess we'll just have to strongly disagree with one another, Pillar.
I'm more than happy to concede that Superman can be anywhere from .5 to possibly two or three times stronger than Thor physically, even if that's a bit of a stretch, but I'm really not seeing him being ten times stronger than Thor when you look at their feats and how they interact with other characters.
Personally I see Superman being about .5 - 1.5 times stronger than Thor, but if people think the gap is a bit bigger, whatever. No skin off my back. I'm a nice enough guy where I'm not going to hound them if they do.
I do see where you're coming from. And I'll agree with you under normal circumstances, that Superman and Thor would physically be somewhat close, but as I said, non-holding back Supes, is more like Superboy Prime (who has fought dozens of heralds at once). Superman has fought multiple heralds at once too by the way. But like I said, this doesn't mean I think Superman stomps Thor in a fight.
If Thor focuses on using energy manipulation, re-direction, absorption...godblasts, his forced teleportation abilities (like teleporting skyfathers against their will), his nearly impenetrable shields, vortexes, soul sucking, etc., etc., he can easily get many wins over Supes. It's just not going to happen in a fist fight IMO.
What was the point of you bringing up Prime and Superman then? So how much stronger is Wonder Woman over Thor? She has lifted up infinite weight and aided in moving planets as well. How strong is she over Thor?
Well for one, Superboy Prime has fought dozens of heralds at once. It would be like Thor fighting Beta Ray Bill, the Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Air Walker, Terrax, Ronan, and some others all at once. Do you really think Thor would come out a winner in that fight?
Also you really have to learn some basic reading comprehension. She's probably stronger than Thor, but not by nearly as much as Superman. Many of my arguments for Superman, don't apply to her. She doesn't have as many, or as consistent high end ridiculous feats as Superman does. Superman has broken her wrists before. She uses her skill at fighting a lot, so she is able to achieve things with pure skill that Superman uses his strength. But yeah, she's stronger than Thor (although I don't think she's more powerful than him, not by a long shot).
I brought up Prime, because the main difference between him and Superman (aside from the magic thing) is that he doesn't hold back, whereas Superman does. Which is why, if you look back at what I said, I said a NON-HOLDING back Superman is far stronger than Thor. By a lot. And again, I'm not saying Thor can't beat Superman, because I think he can, he's just not doing it in a brawl. Doomsday is easily stronger than Thor. Superman is a lot stronger than a normal kryptonian, this is a fact, and it's been explained as possibly due to Superman's being descended from Rao. So on Zod I'm not sure. I'd think Thor could beat him, but maybe not. And I already said, (if you actually read my post) that WW is stronger than Thor, though not more powerful overall.
As for Superman vs Thor, Gladiator, BRB at once, it would depend, but normally, no, I don't think he could beat them all at once. Like I said, Thor could beat Superman by himself, he just has to whip out some of his exotic powers and he could beat Superman one on one very easily.
Don't mistake me saying "stronger" for "more powerful".
Last edited by PillarofOsiris on Mar 18th, 2012 at 07:42 PM
That logically makes no sense. the Hulk is about 9 billion times stronger than Dr. Strange. Under normal circumstances classic Strange could kill the Hulk "with the wiggle of his finger". As I said, Thor has teleported skyfathers against their will. He can use a soul suck, energy manipulation, energy drains, re-direct energy, make impenatrable shields, votexes, magical amped lightning that has one-shot KO'ed the Hulk, and godblast. So while I think Superman is far stronger, durable and faster, Thor is far more versatile.
Superman also holds the speed advantage which would basically allow him to land at least the first 3 hits. Imagine being hit by someone 10 times stronger than you. Three punches should either kill you or lay you the hell out. Thor versatility won't matter.
Thor can swing his hammer at 2 or 3 times the speed of light (I can't remember which one). And like I've said on this forum MANY times, Superman in an actual comic isn't going to go right out and speed blitz right away. It would depend if Thor could get a shield up before Superman used his speed. And Superman would be holding back too, so he's not going to be hitting Thor with reality-altering punches right off the bat. I think the fight could go either way, depending on who used what powers first.
But in this thread it's a slugfest. That's not going to go well for Thor, especially since this whole time we've been talking about normal Superman, and the thread calls for a sundipped Superman. Meaning this fight isn't fair at all.
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