Well if you are to call that, then please supply vids of McClane ever getting his neck broken, in any of the fights, falls, impacts/stunts in which mortal man would be certain to incur some of the old snappity-snap-snap to the neck.
Note that many of those explosions, he's endured AFTER sustaining damage in multiple gunfights and fistfight. And note that after those explosions. He goes on for hours continuing to kill scores of bad guys
And speaking of which...
Oh yeah. Let's talk about gunfights. And lets talk about McClane. He's been shot? What? Do you know how many gunfights Bauer's been in, entire compounds firing on him with automatic weapons, and he literally has nothing more than a handgun. And he's NEVER been shot. EVER. And not just terrorists. Entire armed military commando teams. The fact that McClane allowed himself get shot TWICE to some thugs is an utter disgrace
Please don't tell me the pun in your name is serious. You, of all people, considering the vast wealth of knowledge that I've seen you exhibit on the Gen. Disc. Forums, know that flatlining for 4 minutes is not some recharge. You exactly what it would do to a normal human being. McClane has never experienced that amount of pain ever, and you know it. Speaking of which, since McClane has never experienced that amount of pain or damage...
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He was suffering heart attacks. And still, with all that pain from the torture, the heart attacks, and a helicopter crash, he still managed to
kill five people and run up a wall to break a man's neck (during which he was stabbed in stomach (and once again, you know exactly what that would do to normal human))
And by the way, don't try to use the "McClane never got captured" excuse, because Simon could have easily killed him and Zeus, but he instead tried some elaborate James Bond ploy and was retarded enough gave McClane the clue which allowed him to hunt him down. Note that that is something 24 villains DO NOT DO. The fact that this dumbass was the most intelligent of McClane's adversaries sets McClane down quite a few tiers
Alex the oil magnate's plan was brilliant. He was going to frame the Middle East for detonating a nuclear weapon on US soil and instigate WWIII. Within 6 hours of finding out about the plan, Bauer (and I mean only Bauer because everybody else in the government didn't believe him) managed to not only kill all the mercenaries involved (BTW the amount of people he killed in that 6 hours probably outnumbers the amount of people McClane kills PER FILM), but managed to produce to the President himself evidence and thus avert WWIII. By himself.
It takes McClane 6 hours just to avert ONE building with like 10 terrorists. And I can guarantee you 16 hours before that, McClane wasn't involved in a helicopter crash and had to gun down an entire commando team by himself. He was probably bitching about his wife on an airplane,
Are you saying that being electrocuted for an hour and a half straight is less strenuous on the human body than a fistfight, which he's lost.
Are you stating that if McClane went through the same amount of torture, he would have survived for that long? And then, if he had flat lined for 4 minutes, he would have had the will to be revived. Once gain, forget that "McClane would never allow himself to get in that position" crap because
Where's DDM, because to quote the Red Shirt from Star Trek Frist Contact, "It sounds like your making up a bunch of BS right now"
Now by saying that, once again, you are stating that McClane has the power output equivalent to an hour and a half of brutal electroshock torture? Because based on the way that he GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM on that airplane wing, I don't think so.
He got his ass handed to him? He may have lost the wing-sumo competition, yet the movie finished up with the scumbags dead, and with McClane alive. Nice also that the zippo-to-frey explosion was literally a hand to hand finish for all those villains from the BeMacced one.
All other points made here fail to illustrate any reason for thinking that Bauer can take McClane.
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So how is that any different from when Bauer was electro-tortured and the story still ended with the Scumbags dead and him still alive? That's total hypocrisy and bias
Dude, more than half those explosions either it wasn't Bauer or he was noticeably far away. Just look at when the helicopter explodes, Bauer's not only on the floor behind partial cover when it explodes, he's like 500 feet away. McClane tanks explosions, he'll tank an explosion in an apartment (DH4) and be all "meh, all part of the job."
But speaking of helicopters, McClane becomes even more deadly when he runs out of bullets, as seen in DH4. Tell me, has Bauer ever shown the on-the-spot resourcefulness of using a Ford Crown Victoria as a Surface-To-Air missile?
It's a good thing Bauer's never been shot, if some electricity gave him a coronary, a bullet certainly will.
Not a "recharge", a revive. Bauer has one death under his record. McClane's never died. Clearly you can see who's superior here.
Bauer's going to need something to stand on like a chair or soapbox if he's going to try and break McClane unbreakable neck.
Considering McClane's inhuman durability, it bodes well that he would not have a heart-attack like Bauer, should he find himself being tortured.
Not sure how you're using McClane being kicked in the face and repeatedly getting up for more as some measure of him not being able to take torture. If anything, it would mean he could.
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If this is McClane "dominating" an F-35, I think you need to re-familiarize yourself with the word
Not to mention, once gain, the stupidity of the pilot considering he could have just launched a missile at the rig and blow it up, not to mention he flew under a truck that obviously had stuff falling out the back. McClane had nothing to do with taking that plane down. One again, the stupidity of McClane's enemies really sets him down a few tiers
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BTW, coincidently, I'm watching Die Hard this very moment on AMC. LOL. Jack could wipe all of these guys out in 6 minutes (Literally. He's done it to more)
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to quote youtube commenter
-That pilot was a retard. Hey, lets play chicken with a semi, then fly 50 meters from the ground under falling debris. How the **** did he pass flight school?!
-WTF IS THAT!? why would the pilot fly under a falling freeway?
-Why would a pilot decide to fly his jet under a ****in freeway and hover around to shoot a truck from 20 feet away. Who wrote this shit?
The F-35 was clearly trying to kill him, but in the end McClane survived and left that F-35 a burning pile of junk. McClane's antics caused those course of events to unfold the way they did. ie "The McClane Factor", it's similar to reality-warping powers, but not directly controlled.
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The guys who were trying to torture Bauer pushed him to his physical limits to try to get information out of him, but in the end he killed ALL of them, single-handedly, including running up a wall and snapping a guys neck, after being pushed to a pain limit McClane would cry at.
Clear domination.
And BTW, you are starting to sound like RJ. WTF does that even mean? The f-35 pilot was a ****ing dumbass. McClane had absolutely nothing to do whatever with it's takedown. The pilot had him at a perfect range but instead decided to fly under the overpass it just blew up and underneath the truck that had massive amounts of shit falling out of it. McClane had nothing to do with it. At all.
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LOL I just watched his fight scene with Karl. Karl had the drop on him and could have just shot him in the face, but instead he went on some stupid motive rant about how it's personal.
Based on DH Villain stupidity, how many tiers is John below Jack now?
BTW, Jack's fight scene with Fayed (AFTER killing about 8 terrorists armed with automatic weapons wielding only a handgun) blows that shitty fight scene out of the water in every way imaginable, including taunting the villain about their brother while they hang them with a chain
Watch the films. reactions of "I cant believe my luck there" are there for all to see. And the sheer jamminess of a lot of diehards 1-4 speak for themselves.
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Get me Impediment, because that's all it is. Luck. He won't have luck in the ring, just as Bauer won't have his "defibrillator" in the ring. So if you are stating that luck is McClane's only skill, and he loses it once he steps into the ring, the he is ****ed
Pretty sure Ford's launching out like missiles don't happen in reality. Just one example of the McClane factor. Even the kids was: "You're a cop?", incredulous to what he just witnessed McClane pull out of his anus.
Why would be lose it? It's his own personal power-set.
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