he didn't replicate based on AI he'd simply overwrite code. him overwriting a NS-5 would be equal to overwriting a vending machine...
& he didn't take over any humans mind the operator loaded smiths mind into banes unknowingly...
now, i may be mistaken here, so bear with me.. i have never, ever, seen a vending machine act like an NS-5.. not in the matrix and not in i-robot.. what the operator did is out of the question.. bane was "replicated" by smith in the matrix.. his residual self-image was "over-written," so you said.. hence, bane's mind was taken over by smith while he is in the matrix, not when he exited the matrix.. he was smith before he exited.. do you get it? operator had nothing to do with smith becoming bane's consciousness.. smith wasn't waiting by phone, waiting for it to ring and then sneak into bane's mind.. he was already inside bane's mind..
and "replicate" and "over-written" here are inter-changeable.. why? because when smith replicated, he did over-write the program,hence the program acting exactly like smith, with the exception of retaining information from the over-written program's AI or consciousness, however you wanna describe it.. whatever is in the matrix is a program.. sentient beings with AI and consciousness, meaning programs from the source like the agents, werewolves, vampires and, so it would seem, the NS-5 (because for the NS-5s to be in the matrix, they need to be some sort of a program with the ability to jack in and out of the matrix, like the humans OR come from the source itself, like the agents.. why? because every program originates from the source, save for the humans).. another kind of sentient beings with consciousness are the humans vis-a-vis their residual self-images in the matrix, or how the matrix translates the human brain into a program.. the rest is a construct-- buildings, cars, roads, vending machines.. NS-5, having AI and consciousness and all would fall into the former category..
so, in conclusion.. smith did take over bane's mind via bane's RSI being over-written by smith and not by the operator uploading smith into bane's mind, because, again, smith is already there.. NS-5 equals sentient program with AI and consciousness, hence can be over-written or replicated by smith.. and vending machine equals to not even f*cking close..
let me correct myself.. the only way the operator can upload a program into the mind is if the operator has a copy of that said program.. remember when neo was uploaded the kung-fu program and trinity had to call tank so he can upload a program for flying a helicopter and call link for a program for hot-wiring a motorcycle? yeah, like that.. smith can stand next to the phone and pick it up all he wants, he is not being uploaded bane's mind that way.. so, unless the operator has a smith program handy, he didn't do anything that caused smith to take over bane's mind..
a vending machine doesn't need to act like an NS-5 its code would be basically the same.
smith had over written banes matrix image therefore he was another smith matrix & real world wise banes mind no longer existed the operator for some reason didn't check who picked up the phone before he uploaded the mind back onto banes body.
if the operator never pressed upload smith would never have gotten into banes real body.
NS-5 also would fall under the category of a construct he wasn't built to serve any purpose such all programs or exiles, nor is he from the real world of the matrix. but seeing as i have him fighting there he would have to fit in somehow
hes not jacked in
hes not a program
therefore he'd only fall under the category of a matrix construct albeit a smart one.
so all in all.
operator uploaded a smiths mind onto banes body unknowingly.
replicating a NS-5 would in fact be like replicating a vending machine code wise all NS-5 are machine constructs with the ability to compute.
(also sunny was the only NS-5 with human emotions & intelligence )
? he didn't need a copy considering smith was right there waiting to be uploaded thus the timed ambush.
as you can see, smart=intelligent.. seeing as how an NS-5 is a robot, his intelligence is, therefore, artificial, even if it is non-emotional.. i still cannot accept that an NS-5 is being compared to a vending machine.. in this scenario (that you generously provided), it is obvious that the purpose of the NS-5s is to fight smith and neo, and as you pointed out, purpose=program.. if the NS-5s have no purpose, then the vending machine would pose more of a challenge to neo and smith, because what's the point in fighting smith and neo if it wasn't their (NS-5s) purpose? and if the NS-5s are only part of the construct, they wouldn't be attacking smith and neo because it is not their purpose, and the scenario you provided wouldn't have taken place.. causality, cause and effect.. the NS-5s are programmed to attack (cause), therefore, they attack (effect)..
fine, i concede with the operator uploading smith into bane's body, only for a lack of a better term.. however, i still maintain that the operator did not turn bane into smith, smith turned bane into smith..
wiki..
so, here we can clearly see that smith had, indeed, taken over bane's mind (that should read RSI) in the matrix.. therefore, we can safely assume that smith was responsible for effectively "killing" bane by over-writing his RSI and using his body in the real world as a vessel when the operator "uploaded" him back into bane's physical body.. i think that counts as taking over a human's mind even if the operator unintentionally "uploaded" smith into bane's physical body..
operators jack minds into the matrix if the operator is not paying attention when anybody can be jacked out of the matrix and onto a body... seriously how are you not getting this? smith had nothing to do with being imprinted onto banes body. other than being there to ambush bane replicate him & take his place thus all the operators fault considering if he never pushed that button he'd never have gotten into banes body. understand?
edit - i see you concede & i never said smith didn't replicate bane.
i never said smith replicated bane's actual body, he over-written his RSI (his mind/consciousness/brain in reality), then bane/smith was uploaded into the physical bane by the operator.. only after that did smith take over the body with the bane/smith mind/consciousness/brain (RSI in the matrix).. i think we are saying the same sh!t to each other, just using different ways.. i do get it, that is why i conceded..
i still maintain that smith can replicate the NS-5s..
i think we went way into too much matrix territory here..
anyways, with that out of way.. even if smith could not replicate via the NS-5s, i think the NS-5s are in for a bruising.. just watching the burly brawl and the final fight in revolutions, the NS-5s might as well be e-waste.. not saying that the robots would not put up a fight, but the feats of smith and neo INSIDE the matrix are no match for the NS-5s, judging by what they showed in i, robot.. the robots are still bound by the rules of the matrix while smith and neo are not..
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