Masterson gained a portion of Thor's power, not the totality of it, which was why Thor winds up going crazy in Blood and Thunder. All the various identities and being bound to different mortals and his own godly essence being used to empower people like Eric and Bill made him snap.
Wielding the "Power of Thor" doesn't mean you get access to all of it.
Moot point anyway as per feats, Blake/Olsen and hostless Thor >>> Masterson in terms of power.
I never knew that, I always thought Masterson was basically a mortal with the power of Thor, least Im pretty sure thats how they treated it during the time Masterson was Thor anyway.
Funny, because that "KO" you're referring to is missing the context that future Gladiator had prep time, took a hostage, starting off by attacking Jake Olsen - the mortal form of Thor at the time - and was bloodlusted the whole time. He also took advantage of Thor's weakness regarding being depowered.
In the rematch, Thor promptly stops holding back - he states this - and then beats the shit out of Gladiator. Gladiator then states "He's too strong!".
So, Gladiator, with the aid of various plot devices in the very sense of the word, managed to KO Thor. Great. Without them, he'd be phucked.
No, he didn't have the full scope of Thor's power. This was stated and shown in Blood and Thunder. Stop lying. Even if he did, that lack of experience prevented him from being able to properly utilize it.
Personally I think B&T retconned Mastersons time as Thor, as I collected Thor during that time, and there was no mention of him having on a portion of Thors might, especially with how they treated Masterson Thor during the IG.
Again, are you sure? Ive always been lead to believe that the Power Of Shazam is split evenly among those that are currently using it, but CM is stronger than CM3 or MM. Mentally and emotionally different all, sure, but physically I was sure they were all the same.
The difference is, Masterson WAS Thor. Thor powers was passed to him. In a fight between the two, I would give Thor the majority but I think it would be a hellava fight, especially looking at Masterson fts.
It didn't retcon it. It still happened and is a part of Thor's history - he mentions how Eric filled in for him as Thor. But Blood and Thunder does explain how Odin's machinations and the other beings who have been given the power of Thor robbed Thor of his identity and made him less "whole".
It's also clear that by feats there is no compare to Masterson and the genuine article, to which Eric states himself on numerous occasions.
Billy is the primary host of the Power of Shazam and actually gave his power to Freddy rather than Freddy getting it directly from the Wizard himself, unlike Billy.
Well, a retcon in general does happen and is a party of history of that comic, doesnt mean its not a retcon.
Im just saying when Masterson was Thor, there was no mention of him having only a portion of Thors power, nor was it displayed as such in the comics, then years later in B&T its mentioned this may be the case, so a future change of something that happened in the past is a retcon, BUT we have to keep in mind that events that happend before the retcon should be treated as they were originally intended.
No, he wasn't. The simple fact that Thor was still around and living in Asgard is proof that while Masterson took on the identity and power of Thor he still wasn't Thor. This was stated numerous times.
Trying to not so subtly hype up Masterson after you dogged on him as a means to indirectly make Gladiator look superior doesn't work.
Even if you believe Masterson held the full power of Thor - which doesn't make sense considering the real Thor was very much alive and existing in Asgard - it's clear by feats and dialogue he was < the real Thor.
I don't really see how anyone can dispute that or dispute the fact that his general lack of experience prevented him from properly utilizing the power he had in the first place.
Question, though. In the scans, it shows Gladiator sneak attacking Thor, no? I mean, Thor gets a bit of an inkling an attack is about to happen, but as to when, he doesn't quite know..
And all of you have different interpretations of KO, lol. Thor's not KOed in those scans - he's shouting and boasting, as Thor usually does.
So initially he has the full power of Thor, then years later, after Masterson was Thunderstrike, they changed it around a bit. Sure sounds like a retcon to me.
He's referred to the fight I initally brought up in the second volume of Thor. Gladiator disarms Thor and punches him across the city, and 60 seconds expire in which Thor reverts to his mortal alter ego.
This happens after Gladiator heat visions Jake Olsen, and takes his ex's daughter hostage prior to Olsen turning into Thor. Gladiator is also trying to kill Thor while Thor is reasoning with him.
Once Thor has had enough and stops holding back through words and deeds, he fells Gladiator in a handful of blows.
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