Opress is a case where a lot of people are taken offguard by his strength, but then once they get his number they start taking him apart.
When Anakin and Obi-Wan faced him together, they were being really cautious.
When Obi-wan fought him again, he was able to use the terrain to his advantage and had a much better sense of Opress's weaknesses.
It strikes me that Dooku does better against weaker foes, but does less-good against stronger ones...
Ok, here's a question for you: If the Clone Wars had at least 5 people of this level (Yoda, Windu, Dooku, Palpatine, Anakin), plus some close to it, why is it so hard to believe that other eras had one or two?
You mean when Opress ran with his tail between his legs from the duo? Explain neutral ground when the brothers had Kenobi boxed in and unable to use his signature "giving ground" style and was easy to target with TK.
I'm talking about the one where he ragdolled both of them, dropped a hover platform on their heads, destroyed their ship, and made off with a hostage he spent half the duel trying to subdue.
Then their rematch where he ragdolled them again, forced them down a corridor into the main hangar, and then flattened them (and a ring of battle droids) with a Force push after being shot half a dozen times.
You should probably actually watch the episode in question rather than make shit up about it.
Obi-Wan knew the Sith would expect him to take up a defensive stance in an effort to keep them at bay. But he also knew that tactic would give him no hope to prevail -- he would be worn down until his guard slipped and then he would die, like Adi had.
Surprise was his best bet for survival -- and perhaps his only chance.
The two Sith fell back, startled to find Obi-Wan taking the offensive and surprised by the ferocity of his attack. Sabers hissed, their blades striking sparks from the walls, leaving half-melted scrapes and bubbling burns in their wake.
The two Sith maneuvered to pin Obi-Wan against the wall -- but there was so little room in the corridor that they got in each other's way.
-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy, pg 38-39
Obi-Wan's aggressive attacks and the confining corridor was to his benefit and their detriment, period.
Trying to distort Obi-Wan's circumstantial "victory" as the general rule has zero basis on-screen, in-text, and from Filoni himself. You lose.
Never mind that we have people from all over talk about how great the ancient force users were. Never mind we have people from later on fix the mistakes of the 'golden age' and build a new order to go beyond them.
Actually, there is. We have incredibly talented people undergo heavy training and fight many powerful foes, including ones with very long kill lists. We have multiple tierings in-era where people stand above already competent force users with their own kill sheets.
What there isn't, is anything to suggest they're significantly weaker.
Clone Wars era demonstrates it's possible to get a good half-a-dozen people of that power level at once, so no wonder that it's considered the golden age, but it also indicates people capable of getting to that level aren't that rare and it makes sense for a few of other eras to get in the same tier.
Oh if only he fought someone listed as having literally hundreds of Sith kills! That sure would be convenient!
I mean, I guess if you want to say it's only Bane when he's still growing that doesn't stand up there, I can accept that, but we've got plenty evidence of high-end blade work.
Raskta Lsu, who killed more Sith Lords than the Thought Bomb.
There's not an insignificant number of fights and mentions of fights in the Bane novels, all in all. The people Bane fights and encounters in the Sith academy, all the Jedi he bumps into, yadda yadda, and a lot of them involve backstories with mentioned feats too.
Yeah, considering when they weren't boosted by Battle Meditation he was pushing back Raskta Lsu, said to have killed more Sith Lords than the Thought Bomb, Valenthyne Farfalla, who defeated Lord Kopecz in a duel (who himself was able to slay an entire squad of the Republics best soldiers before they could fire more than once) and Johun Othone, who has an unfair reputation for shittiness given that he was the padawan of the Orders Battlemaster, all at the same time, I'd say Bane has more than enough chops to stand with the best of the best.
Did I say it was? All I said was that he's unfairly dismissed given that he was being trained by the best.
But if you insist.... its ****ing retarded to believe that the apprentice to the best duelist of the Jedi would be shit at dueling. You'd think that would probably have been something Lord Hoth would train him in. And he was able to hit Bane afterall.
Correction. Unless Johun does something of note combat-wise, the level of his mastery, or lack of thereof, remains shrouded in a mystery and cannot be solely based on a fact that his master was good.
EDIT: But whatever.
However, this gives me an idea for a thread. Hold on.
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I agree with everything except banes era. I like bane a lot but a major theme throughout the story was that the sith were weak due to their power being spread too so many. While that might not be the case in other eras such as vitates and krayts empires not being weakened by the watering down effect i think it was clearly the writers intent of the bane books that the sith of that time were weaker. The way i see it is Bane by the end of book 1 was badass but not nearly as powerful/skilled as later versions and already he was above every other sith alive by a good amount. Just think of everyone from tcw era that would be above bane at the end of book 1 and they would be above basically everyone from banes era.
Apr 25th, 2013 06:57 PM
