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Originally posted by chilled monkey
At that point Luke had at least one foot in the dark side and his mind and spirit were clouded by it so he wasn't at his best.

In the rematch, when he was at his best due to his mind and spirit being clear, he beat Palpatine.

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In "Shadows of the Empire" he beat Guri, a human replica droid that possessed superhuman speed and strength, in a fist fight. She was strong enough to effortlessly break metal shackles and could have easily overpowered Chewbacca had she needed to.

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I did. If we went purely by the movies, Luke is a far better fighter than almost anyone in the PT. No spinning around, no twirling his lightsabre like a baton, no passing it from hand to hand like a moron; just good, solid sabre fighting.

Let's be honest here. The duels in the OT were way better than those in the PT for the reasons I just described.

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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Good to know.



I actually knew this at one point but it's been since like '05 when I read it. Kudos for pulling the example. I retract my statement.

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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Actually, if I went solely by technique, Dooku would be top tier, followed by Maul. In both cases, the individuals are played by professional fighters and it shows, for the same reason why Jet Lit would make a more convincing Jedi than Clive Owen.

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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Obi/Ani would actually be right below them. While they did some pretty stupid stuff, compared to the others, they're gods.

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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Except it's apparent everywhere but the ancient novelization which injects all kinds of "didn't happen" stuff that Vader as holding back, so his "victory" is largely unindicative of his skill level. And training by yourself is unquantified improvement as well, since the average Jedi Knight has 10,000 hours of lightsaber training. That's a little over a year straight of practice. Are you arguing that Luke surpassed this base level proficiency in two years alone? It makes zero sense.

Here's what I'd like to see:

1. Supporting commentary from the RotJ dvd. I don't have a copy at this time.

2. Some EU feat or proof of improvement during that two year gap which conclusively shows Luke as better than say, a proficiency Jedi Knight from the Great Sith Wars (Jolee) or Random Jedi from the PT era for that matter.

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Originally posted by chilled monkey


I did. If we went purely by the movies, Luke is a far better fighter than almost anyone in the PT. No spinning around, no twirling his lightsabre like a baton, no passing it from hand to hand like a moron; just good, solid sabre fighting.

Let's be honest here. The duels in the OT were way better than those in the PT for the reasons I just described.

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Originally posted by Based
No.

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Ares


Aside from the ANH duel, I agree.

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Originally posted by Q99
It depends on if one's talking visually better, or better in a real fight.

A lot of the flash in the PT really is useless in real combat.

The PT character with the best fighting style was Dooku, because the actor's fencing experience was taken into account (Maul, while played by a professional fighter, was playing by a professional fighter focusing on flash rather than being based on his normal style).





Even that is underrated- it was slow, but they kept their swords between each other the entire time and didn't make foolish moves.