Even holding back, this is a guy who has 1/5th of the power of the Phoenix. And Cytorrak. Was Magik holding back? Etc etc. Like I said, he was beaten, but not smeared into a bloody paste. Had it been a forum fight, in character (so Colossus would still hold back) Spidey would be killed by Magik.
PIS saved him from Magik, and CIS saved him from Piotr.
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Fair enough, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that then. There are far too many examples to use that will disappear from battle boards if we tried that, though (T-Vo being one example. WBH would be another. Hawkman's Claw of Horus, Flash's IMP, Reed's Celestial killing gun etc).
What showings of durability are you talking about that would allow him to tank an ongoing assault at super speed from a character who's strength fluctuates during stressful moments? Are you talking about space cheese fts?
You have to ask yourself what it is exactly that you are trying to argue on a battle board.
I'm typically trying to argue for how a fight would likely go down if written by the average writer tomorrow. Or sometimes by an average writer during a certain period in history.
If you start trying to make comics and power sets logical and consistent, and take all the PIS out of them, your results will soon bear little resemblance to what actually usually happens in comics.
That's where strength control come into place. Even though Pete was crazy at times, even during his Cyttorak and Phoenix moment, he still had control. And again, it was stated he was holding back. Also, I think you are underestimating Spiderman durability just a bit.
I dont know about Magic, can't tell if she was holding back or not but neither of us can so us talking about her is irrelevant.
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So you agree that Thor shouldn't be able to hurt Terrax since a weakened Terrax survived in a black hole with no issues for months? You know it doesn't work like that.
I don't understand what you are trying to say but what I'm saying is, Spiderman has enough fts to justify him being able to pull off the firelord ft and the way it happened doesn't mean it's PIS. There are better showings than this that you ca use. Batman would be a good example of walking PIS.
I don't know about exhausted, but he for sure was holding back. He admitted he could vaporize Spider-Man and the entire city with one nova blast but he said there would be no honor in that.
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What I do find stupid is the fact that he was able to hurt Firelord and Masterson Thor at all. Considering he damaged his hands trying to punch Loki and Loki wasn't even fazed by the attack.
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Yeah, they did hold back...I never argued against that. I just said using that showing isn't a good example.
No...I think he is like every other character. During stressful moments, they can do the unknown. Spiderman, Thor, and Superman are known for this. When they are stressed, they can do the impossible. Spiderman has supported 10 to 20 floor buildings before, thrown tanks, tossed trains with his finger tip, and damaged/dropped Heralds. People can clearly make arguments that he is outside of the 20 ton class (the fts are there).
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Re: Planet Busting vs.. Combat Related Feats
planet busting is a RIDICULOUS way to decide who wins. it COMPLETELY and utterly goes against forum rules regarding IN CHARACTER. it is truly meaningless. if it's a 'good guy' they will very likely NEVER destroy a planet as it is ooc. that by NO MEANS means they can NOT do so. i've rarely seen it happen around here, thank goodness, but anyone who says someone who broke a planet wins because they broke a planet and their opponent hasn't, but said opponent has fought and won against others in that tier is....an idiot. i recommend placing them on ignore. we use characters, NOT power sets in this forum. it's embarrassing how many people forget that little fact on a daily basis.
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