So Sidious holds Tony in place... then Tony simply asks Jarvis to launch the missile barrage. Unlike his repulsors, he didn't need to make any gestures to launch them. His one shoulder pad simply opened up and off they went. Sidious gets blown to smithereens, while standing there looking like a jackass with his arm stretched out. Considering suit-Vader has been shown to be slow and clunky in all of the original trilogy films, I have a hard time seeing him speedblitz anyone. He'd be better suited to do a lightsaber throw while Sidious holds IM. At least this would possibly take out Tony while Sidious gets blown up.
So Dooku is going to evade arrows from Hawkeye, bullets from Black Widow, and attacks from Cap, while trying to force lift the Hulk?
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But you are talking about an invisible non-physical force vs an actually physical force. The Hulk can't grab on to an hand and break free. Now the hulk may be able to break free from a force choke but I see nothing that indicates he can.
Now your point about the amount of force needed to force choke someone as powerful as the Hulk may be valid. Since the Hulk heals rapidly and gets stronger as he gets more angry he may be able to break free if the force user is not powerful enough to exert the right amount of pressure.
So it takes you a few posts to understand a simple point. This is what debating on here is increasingly becoming.
At least you show some rectitude with this post.
BTW, the Force's effects can be measured physically. That is, how much force a user can exert. Force exerted by Vader is strong enough to crush a human's windpipe. No feats to suggest it can hurt (compress his windpipe sufficiently to cause him to choke) someone of Hulk's durability.
You assume Sidious is strong enough to pit his force tk against the power of Iron Man's suit. Moving a multi ton SHIELD carrier turbine would suggest that Tony's suit has enough power behind it to offer some serious resistance to any attempts to tk him. And you also assume that the saber can instantly cut through armour as durable as Tony's. Awful lot of assumptions without proof here. Where as we have a screen feat of Tony launching a massive barrage of small missiles, effortlessly and without any gestures, which you still haven't addressed.
Considering force users have been overwhelmed by large concentrations of blaster fire, Sidious is going to have a hell of a hard time stopping/dodging those, while trying to restrain an actively resisting Iron Man, and wielding his saber to boot.
Cool. So you will have no problem showing me an onscreen feat where Dooku, or any force user for that matter, dodged multiple fast moving projectiles (in Hawkeye's case, based on his Avengers feats, fired with borderline superhuman accuracy) while simultaneously force lifting a heavy object for an extended period of time?
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Lol, there you go again, thinking that brute strength>>>TK. No.
Force precog allows him to know where and when all attacks will be. Force speed allows him mto dodge and blitz over and decap Hawkeye. LOL at your Avenger wanking.
Well, based on the fact that force users struggle more to lift things the heavier they become, in other words, offering more resistance to their powers, I think it's fair to assume that someone actively trying to resist them could, if powerful enough.
Yes, because force precog is always perfect and an auto-win, and Dooku always speedblitzes people...
Basically, you are ignoring screen feats while debating using implied powersets (inaccurately). LOL at your Star Wars wanking.
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Quote a scene in any movie ever, where someone used brute strength to defeat TK.
Force precog is strong enough to net a win here. It's not like here the Force users powers are hindered and they are being fired on by dozens of clone troopers.
No, I am being 100% objective here. People like you think the Avengers are some kind of invincible force of nature. They're not.
I will do so once you quote me a scene where a force user dodges multiple fast moving projectiles, speedblitzes and decaps someone, and levitates someone of the Hulk's mass, all at the same time.[/B][/QUOTE]
Force precog is all good and well. But knowing what is going to happen and reacting to it is 2 different things. Trying to say that Dooku is going to be dodging all those attacks, while going on both saber and tk offensive, is blowing his abilities way out of proportion.
You keep demanding feats. Yet you keep just using powersets to back your claims. I see trying to debate with you is utterly pointless. So I will leave this here. I think Avengers win. You think Sith.
And your utterly retarded assumption about me, with regards to the Avengers, makes me want to facepalm. If I believe the Avengers will lose, I will openly admit it. For example, if it was Avengers VS Zod's MoS invasion force, Avengers get shit stomped.
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You mean the droideka scene where they use force speed, on its own, to run away? Not using it while simultaneously executing attacks and tk'ing things? Totally the same thing as what you are suggesting. Totally.
You haven't countered anything. All you say is force speed and precog for the win. Just cuz.
Way to get personal. That's generally a sign that someone doesn't actually have a proper argument, so they resort to personal attacks and flaming.
So seeing as you are not actually going to post examples of feats you are claiming Dooku and Sidious are capable of (i.e. making up feats for them), I see no reason to continue this. It's not about rage quitting. It's about not trying to beat my head against a brick wall. I actually have better things to do on a Sunday morning.
As to the applied force countering force TK, all you need is a brain and a basic understanding of physics to get it. Force users have shown more trouble lifting heavier object than they have lifting lighter ones. What is force other than mass x acceleration. When a force user lifts something, it is the mass of the object x gravitational acceleration they are countering. Heavier object = more force resisting them. And they have to exert more of their own power to lift heavier things than they would lighter objects. So this proves that opposite force can be a resistance to force tk.
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So they can use it to move while evading, but not attacking? Nah, that's like saying Forrest Gump can run for his life while battling Viet Cong, but he cannot use the same speed while running from zombies.
That's all they need. Sidious can force blitz IM and decap him before IM takes flight.
No, it's a sign that you know nothing of SW and force powers. It was also a joke, lighten up.
OK try this: Can a force user force lift IM, Thor and/or Hulk off the ground?
Force speeding at someone and swinging their lightsaber I can buy. That still makes sense. But unless there is an actual feat of them showing the ability to tk stuff while also focusing on force speeding and going on lightsaber offensive, I see no reason why I should assume they can. Because you said that Dooku was going to be dodging everyone's attacks, tk ragdolling the Hulk, and now also speedblitzing and decapping Hawkeye to boot.
As to the decap, unless we are to assume that the OP is gimping Iron Man by giving him his shitty, sub-standard IM3 suits, there isn't even definitive proof that a saber can cut through his armour. His IM3 armour was shitty and got torn apart with ease by temperatures of around 5432 degrees Fahrenheit (3000 degrees Celsius). His Avengers armour tanked a full on lightning blast from Thor, the heat only doing some minor superficial damage to his chestplate. And lightning can reach temperatures of 53,540 degrees Fahrenheit (29,727 degrees Celsius). High end estimates I found for the temperature a saber reaches upon contact with solid material was 32,432 degrees Fahrenheit (18,000 degrees Celsius). I haven't done much research into the energy output of the average lightning bolt compared to a lightsaber upon contact, but am willing to bet the lightning bolt wins. So we don't even know if a saber would pierce his armour, never mind sever his head in one stroke.
So instead of using actual valid screen feats to disprove or educate me on what I apparently do not know about Star Wars (the rational thing to do in a debate, when you want to convince the other person of your case), you call me an Avengers wanker instead. LOL. You think I am offended by your comment? I am more flabbergasted by the fact that you take a fictional battle on a forum so seriously that you feel the need to flame a total stranger, simply for disagreeing with you. I don't take any of this shit seriously (see my sig). I come on here mostly to occupy myself while I wait for downloads to finish.
In theory they could lift any of them. Would they be able to simply rag doll Iron Man or Thor if the two in question used the power of their own flight to counter the force exerted on them? That is debatable. Because like I said, the fact that force users have more trouble with heavy objects than with light objects, because they need to exert more power to lift it, to counter the extra resisting force a heavier object creates, shows that opposing force can resist/counter their tk. Hulk wouldn't be able to do shit, because he has no way of providing any kind of resistance once lifted.
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Well, you did actually. When I pointed out that I don't see Dooku dodging all their attacks while also ragdolling the Hulk, you said he could due to force speed and precog. And then later also said that he will speedblitz and decap Hawkeye. So unless he does it all at the same time, he is going to leave himself open to attack from someone.
Well, based on actual screen feats, his armour should at least be able to provide some level of resistance. I see it being a case of a saber being able to pierce/cut it from multiple hits, but not one single blow.
Yes, I have. As well as the Clone Wars series.
Dude... do you even read my posts properly? I will post it again, and this time underline the bits you seemed to have missed...
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He starts choking him at 0:06 seconds. We hear an audible crunch (suggesting a broken neck, crushed throat etc) at 0:23 seconds, and the admiral dies. So it took him 17 seconds to do that. 17 Seconds is a lot of time to try and counter attack. Unless you are suggesting he can do it faster than he is actually shown doing it on screen.
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