I never said it wasn't a decent feat. Exitar is still a planetary sized being with ultra dense armor. The problem is that he did not stop Exitar by himself and it isn't as good of feat flying a dead weight Exitar around as it is stopping Exitar.
Why would we do anything but assume that Rogue contributed at least half of the force needed? Like, what could you even twist to come to this conclusion?
And Rogue crashed into the ground after Sentry flew off. That's not indicative that suddenly Sentry solely accomplished this after Exitar died and because she flew off after he died and Sentry flew off.
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Basically Sentry times two stopped Exitar's descent. That's what was needed there. Sentry himself could lift the weight if that's all it was, but it wasn't.
"So stop bringing it up and discussing it at every chance"
Those are separate things. Because apparently you think I'm simple enough to not understand that you didn't bring it up, but you figure you should just ignore that you were discussing it. You know Question mark should follow.
Though the "last word" thing is retarded. This isn't some sort of debate here that I need to get the last word in, because I'd surely need that to pull the wool over anyone's eyes who read a debate between you and me. This is just you admitting that out of all the things on the planet, the Hulk/Exitar thing is the thing you understand the least of all, and me saying you should probably stop talking about it.
"After all this time, I don't have a ****ing clue about this feat when I should be at the height of understanding due to the time lapsed between then and now. Also, here I am currently talking about said feat, and here's some other times - when I somehow had less understanding about it - where I talked about it.
Hulk was involved I know that, so naturally it was a great feat relevant to Exitar himself... so I'll go with that."
I never said that you said it was not a good feat, in fact I admitted that it wasn't as good a feat as the 1st one. So we agree there no need to continue that point.
This is where we disagree. Again like I said I am not saying Sentry entirely helped and Rogue didn't but I was just questioning Rogues involvement. Like I said before there was a cabal of 3 (Thor,Wasp and Cap) who knew of the Sentry assisting while nobody else did. That's why Rogue was half the equation. She was there to slow down not stop Exitar till Sentry arrived (but Cap didn't tell Rogue that) so that's why when Rogue failed she said it wasn't enough as she believed her objective was to stop Exitar when it wasn't. The fact that Cap said he knew Rogue was going to fail kind of shows they were waiting for some muscle to actually stop him. So Sentry arrived and Exitar was stopped completely. I am of the belief that Sentry contributed more to stopping Exitar than Rogue did. Not to say she had no involvement either as like I said she was slowing him down not stopping him. The only thing to say is I am not sure if Rogue contributed hugely, medium amount or small amount.
Yet again you are making an assumption. I never said that Rogue crashing to the ground was indicative of her having no involvement. Just not as much as Robert did. If they made up both the same strength as you say to hold Exitar. Why wasn't Sentry at least showing a sign of exhaustion.
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I don't get what Rogue being ignorant is supposed to prove. All it means is that she gives it everything she's got. She was left in the dark, that's all.
It's literally stated that she's half the equation. How about we start at her doing half?
And Rogue failed because she was only half strong enough to stop Exitar while she was trying the full feat by herself. Sentry would have failed just as spectacularly. Rogue was fighting against the entire force for a time. Sentry was only ever wrassling with half the force. If you somehow want to cut out Rogue's involvement.
Her crashing to the ground is absolutely meaningless though. It's a completely irrelevant observation that has no bearing on anything.
And Rogue didn't show exhaustion either, she just tried really hard. Just like Sentry did. As soon as they weren't needed, no more exertion was needed since nothing was actively fighting them. And apparently the equal of Rogue at the time was capable of easily lifting said dead weight.
And Rogue crashed to the ground because their were hundreds of voices in her head anyway. And again, this happened after Exitar was dealt with. http://i61.tinypic.com/2qsqmah.jpg
This reminds me so much of Superman fans though. It's not enough that a feat is ridiculous on its own. No, twists and turns and off panel "never said" statements have to be applied as well to dress it up.
It's not enough that Sentry is as strong as almost every hero rolled up into one being, no, it has to go beyond that. Sentry is stronger than that being, maybe by far. Let's diminish the involvement of the person with Hyperion, Wonder Man, and Hulk's strength and hundreds of others because Sentry was shown in three pages in two comics.
And this is also funny considering this is far and away Sentry's best strength feat of its own merits, yet it's being dressed up to be better than it actually is.
Just take the feat for what it is. Sentry being equal to hundreds of heroes. That's good enough right there.
I was just making some points about my opinion about what happened on a page of a comic book. And you continuously seem to accuse me of belittling Rogue. I don't know if you harbour a vendetta against people who disagree with things you say but I am just making my point. Every time I say something you overblow it and make out as if I am saying Rogue done nothing in UA which to the contrary is completely wrong.
Yes she was left in the dark like I mentioned and explained. Sure she was half the equation when I offered my opinion on that you compare me to Superman fanboys (wonder if you would care to mention which Superman fans you are speaking of) because you don't like what I am saying. I don't see the need for you to resort to that to be honest. If you that vehemently disagree fine that's it we move on, but don't resort to ad hominem attacks because you disagree with someone else's opinion.
Sure like I said to Branlor, the 1st feat was more impressive. The 2nd one was not as much but still quite good. But he seems to be accusing me of saying Rogue had absolutely no involvement which wasn't what I said.
To put a couple feats in perspective though, Rogue had Hyperion's strength stacked on top of many other beings.
Hyperion alone stopped a planet bigger than Earth moving at half of lightspeed, instantly.
Exitar's force being exerted was too much for Rogue. Who not only had Hyperion's strength, but Hulk's as well, as well as Hulk's amping abilities. Nothing more needs to be stated of Hulk.
So it was evidentially far more than planetary force they were pushing against, since for all of the power Rogue acquired, it was only half of the force necessary to accomplish the goal.
Sentry flying off Exitar's likely way more than planetary weight body is completely minor in comparison to stopping his descent considering Hyperion alone should be capable of just flying him off. Though that's not to say that's a minor feat, just nothing to compare to the stopping.
Also, Exitar alone is enough to say the feat was grand. But the added benefits of all the heroes raises the bar.
I'm not under the assumption that you think Rogue had no involvement. I'm under the assumption that you're downplaying Rogue's involvement to pump up Sentry when nothing would indicate that in the comics. Sentry did half. Rogue did half. To assume otherwise would be falling into a dangerous game.
I'm not comparing you to Superman fanboys. Though nothing needs to be said of who. I'm comparing your overblowing the feat and subsequent logic to what they do.
Basically:
"It's not enough"
The feat doesn't need to be better in other words. There's no need to argue that it is even if their were strong implications or a statement about a PC planet.
Are you yourself better than Superman fanboys IYO? If yes, then there's no need to use their logic. That statements only as offensive as you wish it to be.
It really seems as if you're reading more than what's being said here. If I had something to say, believe me it'd be quotable.
Believe me I'm not pumping up the Sentry to make a point. If I wanted to I could have done so by saying Sentry done the lifting and Rogue was just there to look good. Perhaps through my wording it may seem that way. But like you said in the post above this one I am replying to (not sure if it was to me or not) Hyperion strength was used along with Hulks perhaps not all considering his abilities. I was just saying that the Sentry may have had more sway due to how the comic was written and how Remender put emphasis on parts of the comic. Believe me it was never my intention to do either of the things you mention there. If it comes across that way it's purely through the wording of the comment.
In my opinion if I were to big up a character to make him/her more impressionable that wouldn't be a honourable debating technique, it's dishonest and would indicate you have no evidence. Again apologies if it came off incorrectly.
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