Does Kun appear in anything other than his comics and the novels where he possesses Kyp? If not I feel like Revan might end up taking this just based on sheer number of feats and how much material there is on him.
How does Kun have MORE feats than Revan? If we're including his spirit in the novels then it helps his case but if we only go by his actual life, which is then only the comics, he STILL has more feats than Revan? I haven't read those comics in years but I find that hard to believe
Carthage, I will put my argument in a layout in a neat, tiddy, and easy-to-read fashion. Below is ultimately undisputed proof in my favor.
---- ---- ---- Basic descriptions on how a Sith amulet works:
"Sith amulets could focus and amplify the power of their bearers...."
--Star Wars The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
"One of the most powerful techniques taught to the Dark Jedi and Sith, it was similar in some respects to a stimulating drug or a Wookiee battle cry in that it allowed an individual to unleash primal energies. When coupled with a link of dark side power, however, these energies manifested themselves as Force rage, giving the Dark Jedi or Sith increased power for a short amount of time. This alter skill was one of the most demanding of the dark arts, as it drained huge amounts of energy from an individual using it. The individual then had to recuperate for an extended period of time before being able to call upon the dark side again."
--Star Wars The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
"What Exar Kun understands is that the dark rage that fills his own heart can be focused in this amulet, unleashing tremendous energies."
--Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi- Dark Lords of the Sith 4
"Unfortunately, use of such a device often caused the wielder to succumb to exhaustion the moment the Force effect was completed - a defect that prevent such talismans from becoming commonly used, especially in battle."
--Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi Companion
End Summary: A Sith amulet is a device used that Dark Jedi or Sith can use to focus and amplify for a short amount of time, however due to fatigue purposes it is rarely used in battle.
---- ---- ---- Descriptions and examples of Exar Kun's rage on Yavin 4:
1.) Exar Kun does not understand why his Light side powers abandoned him. His name is Exar Kun...and he was trained in the ways of the Light. Now he wonders why his powers have abandoned him. For all he can find is a great darkness welling out of the secret places of his heart."
--Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi- Dark Lords of the Sith 4
2.) Exar Kun gives into his rage against Freedon Nadd. "He must let go of the past, forget the pathetic Jedi way, give in to his true power, the power of rage!...'Naaadd! I hate you!'"
--Exar Kun (Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi- Dark Lords of the Sith 4)
3). Exar Kun uses the dark rage in his heart as another source of his power. "What Exar Kun understands is that the dark rage that fills his own heart can be focused in this amulet, unleashing tremendous energies."
--Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi- Dark Lords of the Sith 4
End Summary: Numerous and several circumstantial events were occurring that fueled his dark rage. The first two circumstances would not be used in any later fights.
---- ---- ---- Basic descriptions on the nexus of Yavin 4:
"The Massassi built huge temples of ancient Sith design to focus great dark side energies."
--The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
"When the Dark Jedi Exar Kun arrived to Yavin 4, he enslaved the Massassi and forced them to construct new temples as focal points for Sith power."
--The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
"Centuries later, a young Sith initiate named Exar Kun enslaved the Massassi, and forced them to construct temples as focal points of Sith power."
--The Official Star Wars Databanks
"Tremendous energies are concentrated in these half-ruined temples....Torrential power is released!"
--Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi- Dark Lords of the Sith 4
Now, look at a description of a Force nexus in general:
"Any unusual localization, or vergence, of dark side Force energy. These strange locales emanated the dark side of the Force, and were considered focal points of power for dark side users."
--Star Wars The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
End Summary: The Force nexus of Naga Sadow's temple was truly immense, capable of blocking out completely Exar Kun's Light side powers.
---- ---- ---- The Sith amulet was amplified due to the temple's incredible powers:
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End Summary: The Sith amulet can involuntary be amplified with the powers of the darkness around it.
---- ---- ---- Display of Exar Kun's power on a nexus, then off of a nexus:
Exar Kun in one of the temples of Naga Sadow: (please log in to view the image)
Exar Kun in a neutral setting, wanting to "destroy" Aleema Keto: "Then he headed to the Empress Teta system to destroy Nadd's final Sith followers."
--Star Wars The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia (please log in to view the image)
End Summary: Exar Kun's powers were amplified by the Dark side nexus of not only the temple, but Yavin 4 itself. He cannot replicate the feats he did there.
----- ----- ----- Ultimate Summary: Exar Kun's amulets allow himself to focus and amplify his powers through Force Rage, though fatigue makes such methods highly ineffective and rarely used in combat. On Yavin 4, the amulet's powers were further boosted by the immense nexus around it and circumstantial hatred, allowing Exar Kun to achieve feats he otherwise could not. For the thousandth time carthage, I accept your concession.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
I asked for a quote where it stated that he relied on the nexus. Not that the amulet was the "source of his power", not that it was the source of his blasts, etc. Again none of these quites state that at all. The Tales of the Jedi companion quote also has nothing to do with Exar Kun, he never stated he was exhausted after using them only that on his first attempt he couldn't control them. Again, if you can't provide a quote that stated that Yavin's ambient darkside energies were the souce of his power, then I will just laugh at you hording quotes as usual
Again this simply reiterates that the amulet amplified Kun's rage and nowhere did it say anything about Yavin. No one disputed that the amulet amplified Kun's power, but this quote mentions nothing about a nexus.
I could respond to the rest of your quotes, but they all echo the below mentioned scan which clearly states that Kun was the source of all his energy. (please log in to view the image)
And in the final panel
As the quotes clearly show and the above mentioned quotes reiterate, the source for Kun's power is dark rage i,e his own force ability that is magnified by the amulet. Nowhere does it state it needed a nexus, the only role the nexus played was in overpowering his ability to control it.
Aleema Keeto's blast alone was capable of reducing an individual to a charred corpse without a nexus at her own house. So there is no real discrepancy in the portrayal of the power of the amulets, apart from when Kun stunned Aleema in order to keep her alive for the war
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My end summary: As usual you failed to provide a quote stating Yavin was the source of Kun's blasts, and this will more than likely go on for another 10 pages because you can't accept that. Moving on.
Just like it "involuntarily" allowed Aleema Keeto (a slightly trained force sensitive) to char a person? Ok lol
Kun couldn't destroy Aleema as that would've disrupted the story's continuity. He needed her to raise the Krath for war against the republic
End Summary: Exar Kun's powers were amplified by the Dark side nexus of not only the temple, but Yavin 4 itself. He cannot replicate the feats he did there.
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Force Rage is a basic darkside ability that all darksiders from Malgus to Vader use for an amp. The only difference with Kun was he channeled those abilities through blasts. Nowhere in any of the quotes mentioned anything specifically stating Yavin was the course for Kun's power, whereas, even some of the quotes you provided clearly stated that it was Dark rage and emboldened quotes I provided in my scan showed that it was Kun who was the source of his own power.
Try again
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Last edited by carthage on Aug 12th, 2014 at 05:51 PM
Ignore what? I posted quotes and they reiterated my position. I asked specifically for a quote that stated Yavin was responsible for Kun's power. Yet again you failed to provide it and with regards to the quotes about Yavin's construction all it said was that it contained 'immense' power. Unless you have a quote where it states Kun depended unequivocally on the nexus, I already provided a quote that simultaneously echoed the above quotes you mentioned that it was a case of dark rage.
You've proved nothing
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Also unfortunately, I agree with carthage. Theres no indication that an artificial source of power would be affected by a nexus, when its stated to be getting its power from rage and not anything to do with direct force power that a nexus would affect.
The energies also increased when Kun held them on and again it was stated to funnel Kun's darkside energy in dark rage. When Zythmnr held them the entire area was in an uproar to sacrifice Kun, and it was amplified in that case.
Again that doesn't disprove that Kun was the source of the amulet's power, only that the amulet responds to darkside energy from whomever it touches. That's kind of what Sith amulets do you know? Where specifically does it state Yavin was the amplification? If you have a specific quote then I'll concede until then, all the evidence points in my favor.
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
The above scan states that "As Massassi priest Zythmnr holds up the ancient amulet the energies increase"
It's responding to Zythmnr as he's holding it not Yavin, and it responded in a similar fashion when it amplifed Kun as it grasped onto his arm? Again where does it state in that scan that Zythmnr or Kun depended on a nexus, when its clearly responding to them afters its touched?
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
The nexus is the temple, not Yavin. Yavin is also a nexus though, but that's another argument all together.
It's not responded to Zythmnr, ****tard, it's responding to the temple. Look at the damn context clues: (please log in to view the image)
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
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