ILS' argument can make sense, if we assume that Agen and Sasee got paralyzed by fear. But considering how he wanks Sidious' speed in other topic I definitely don't feel like giving him that element of a doubt.
I don't need to whine about canon. Arguing that Windu would lose to b-team despite the fact that he defeated Sidious is plain ridiculous.
Windu does not fight as aggressively as Sidious, so b-team will definitely last a bit longer. But assuming that they actually can win is amusing at best.
TPM Maul failed to react Sidious is EU dog crap imo. Fisto managed to tag Sidious for a while, so is Fisto faster than TPM Maul ? Even if he is I doubt there is too much difference.
Also one of the feat happened when Maul caught off guard and Sidious take his weapon leave him vulnerable, of course Maul would failed to tag him while he was un-armed.
Not to mention, Sidious himself also said that ''Maul fought good.'' So it is kind of inconsistent, especially Maul tagged Sidious in Hypori while he was wounded and starving to the death, it is a good feat.
__________________ ''You are no warrior, Maul thought. You know nothing of the dark side.'' ★_Darth Maul Respect Thread_★
Last edited by Marco1907 on Nov 10th, 2014 at 05:31 PM
Fisto had Mace aiding him, and he still couldn't perceive Sidious, and I also didn't say that Maul couldn't react to Sidious - only that he couldn't see him. That's the third time now someone has failed to interpret what I'm saying.
Maul trying to tag Sidious (he wasn't) would be irrelevant in the showing where Sidious outlines Maul's body with a saber faster than he can see. Even if he was trying to tag Sidious it wouldn't affect his perception speeds.
Sidious was holding back monumentally on Maul during the showing on Hypori. That's why he opted to use a training saber while Maul had a real one. And Maul being able to bite him really isn't indicative of any inconsistency. You're just reaching, as usual.
"he fought well, even after I deprived him of his lightsaber" - as in, he showed a lot of willpower, which was the entire point of the trial on Hypori. It wasn't in reference to his fight with Sidious in in terms of skill or speed, due to the fact Sidious was dodging him at speeds too fast for him to perceive, beating him with a training saber and disarming him in a single move.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
How do you know that Fisto couldn't perceive Sidious?
If Maul is capable to react to someone's attacks, it is pointless to bring speed argument with him. First of all it is just an exaggerated metaphor. And even if we consider it a real thing, it doesn't prove anything, eye perception is unreliable, that's why Force users rely on pre-cog.
Thing is, if Sidious had training lightsaber, he didn't need to hold back at all, on opposite he could afford to go all out without fear of losing Maul. Regardless, you just make more wank here by interpreting things they way it suits you.
Back to the topic. You assume that Windu is not as capable under normal circumstances, good luck proving that because you can't.
Also we should note that, Obi-Wan failed to see Fisto vs. Ventress duel in CD (mind numbing speed) , but clearly he could match with them in a one-on-one duel easily, eye perception is certainly not reliable in SW Mythos.
__________________ ''You are no warrior, Maul thought. You know nothing of the dark side.'' ★_Darth Maul Respect Thread_★
This thread is ****ing hilarious. In fact, this board in regards to anything to do with the prequel trilogy is hilarious. I shouldn't need to explain why "mind numbing" has nothing to do with perception speed...
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Not that anyone actually is "Invisible" when they move in SW.
I do actually think though It'd make more sense to assume Sidious froze Kolar with Tk. There's simply no other explanation for a Jedi Master just freezing the way he did.
Tiin on the other hand was killed killed via Sidious's mobility- (He swung around to hit Tiin). And Fisto just through Sidious being faster, having far superior Pre-Cog and skill. But even in that situation, Fisto can clearly fend off a few strikes.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:12 PM
Show us all Sidious being invisible. Post a video. Shouldn't Be difficult considering he's fought the 2 most powerful Jedi in live action with Cgi effects plus fought in animation.
You're accusing this thread of being ridiculous, yet all you're going by is hyperbole statements. Post this "invisible" speed or rethink your stance.
Force Users aren't invisible in canon - I'm referencing Legends. In Legends Darth Maul can see people who move nigh-imperceptibly fast in slow motion, yet he can't see Sidious. How fast do you think that makes him?
Vader himself has materialized out of thin air by moving fast enough, people move imperceptibly fast all the time. Maybe if you picked up a book and stopped watching animations you'd figure that out. Making Force Users too fast to see from the audiences perspective makes no sense because you'd be watching nothing.......
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
It's hinted in the novel that Saesee might have been screwed over telepathically before he was physically cut down.
I wouldn't hold too much weight in that, though. The more likely explanation is simply that none of them were truly expecting the Chancellor to hurl himself at four Council Masters with a battle cry in the middle of his office-for just about anyone else that would be suicide. They were expecting another Dooku--none of them were prepared for the skill or speed or ferocity that Palpatine possessed. Kit was the only member of the strike force who was actually worried about the mission's success.
Also, hasn't it already been covered that Gillard himself specified that Star Wars combat sequences are slowed down to our level of awareness? What's the point of watching a movie of nigh-imperceptible blurs flickering across the screen?
Especially a Juyo specialist like him. That's also makes sense if we compare Maul & Savage vs. Sidious duel with this one (like Filoni did) since both Maul and Savage were using Juyo, it was a familiar style to them to counter Sidious's, while Jedi Council members certainly were not expecting something like this ;
''the Chancellor to hurl himself at four Council Masters with a battle cry in the middle of his office-for just about anyone else that would be suicide. They were expecting another Dooku--none of them were prepared for the skill or speed or ferocity that Palpatine possessed. ''
__________________ ''You are no warrior, Maul thought. You know nothing of the dark side.'' ★_Darth Maul Respect Thread_★
Lol maybe if you could differentiate between hyperbole statements and actual visual feats you would wake up to the reality of how force users move.
Even in your precious Legends the animation and films ALWAYS took priority over it. You would know that if you actually understood the material you read.
And yes it is very easy to sow invisible speed for audiences to see. Just go watch the Matrix or a Superman movie.
Nov 10th, 2014 04:01 PM
