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No it doesn't.

So what is your take on Telos IV event? He had ample time to attack the planet.

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So what is your take on Telos IV event? He had ample time to attack the planet.
Wasn't his fleet sort of intercepted by another fleet on the way?


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So what is your take on Telos IV event? He had ample time to attack the planet.


He was likely trying to sense where the Jedi enclave he'd been told about was. And confused as to why he couldn't sense it. Also he might not have been in range yet.


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Wasn't his fleet sort of intercepted by another fleet on the way?

No.

The battle of Telos IV took place around the planet.

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He was likely trying to sense where the Jedi enclave he'd been told about was. And confused as to why he couldn't sense it. Also he might not have been in range yet.

Atris was on the planet at that time. He couldn't sense her?

Range argument is also weak. The battle took place around the planet. Also, the first phase of battle involved the Space Station orbiting the planet.

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Atris was on the planet at that time. He couldn't sense her?

Range argument is also weak. The battle took place around the planet.


A single Jedi is beneath his notice. He was told that there were enough to satisfy his hunger.

So what? His ship may have still been too far away from the planet for him. It's not as if "around the planet" means he's right next to it, he's still hundreds of miles separate from it.


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No.

The battle of Telos IV took place around the planet.
He could have been 100,000 miles away (and was probably further away than that) while still being "around" the planet.

Space is big, my son, and any assertion that Nihilus required a ritual to perform something we've seen him do onscreen is pure speculation.


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A single Jedi is beneath his notice. He was told that there were enough to satisfy his hunger.

She could have served as a homing beacon for him.

Force-sensitives weren't beneath his notice, they were too important to ignore.

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So what? His ship may have still been too far away from the planet for him. It's not as if "around the planet" means he's right next to it, he's still hundreds of miles separate from it. [/B]

Too far away?

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In comparison:

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He could have been 100,000 miles away (and was probably further away than that) while still being "around" the planet.

Space is big, my son, and any assertion that Nihilus required a ritual to perform something we've seen him do onscreen is pure speculation.

He was not:

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As for the ritual, inhabitants of Katarr heard his voice at the time of attack. Visas confirmed this.

He doesn't makes a voice while attacking individuals with Force Drain during combat situations or does he?

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Force-sensitives weren't beneath his notice, they were too important to ignore.

Nah, he doesn't notice Force-sensitives unless they are in large populations:

"He sees planets, stars, not people. To him, the planet below, the station with its teeming life, only that is massive enough to demand his attention."
―Tobin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

He didn't even notice the presence of Visas, Meetra, and Canderous when they came:

"I do not believe he knows his ship has been boarded, and if he did, he would not care. The extent of his power cannot be put into words, and his perceptions have grown as well. To him…"
"You are dust motes in a storm, a grain upon the beach, and as insignificant as a body that orbits the graveyard of Malachor."
―Visas Marr & Tobin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)


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Nah, he doesn't notice Force-sensitives unless they are in large populations:

"He sees planets, stars, not people. To him, the planet below, the station with its teeming life, only that is massive enough to demand his attention."
―Tobin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

He didn't even notice the presence of Visas, Meetra, and Canderous when they came:

"I do not believe he knows his ship has been boarded, and if he did, he would not care. The extent of his power cannot be put into words, and his perceptions have grown as well. To him…"
"You are dust motes in a storm, a grain upon the beach, and as insignificant as a body that orbits the graveyard of Malachor."
―Visas Marr & Tobin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

Fair enough

But he was close to Telos IV and willing to attack it regardless.

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Indeed, and he was going to, just he was cut short by the arrival and confrontation with the Exile.
I suspect how long it takes him to drain depends on how much Force energy is in the planet. Katarr had much more then Telos.


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She could have served as a homing beacon for him.

Force-sensitives weren't beneath his notice, they were too important to ignore.


A homing beacon for what? There was no real jedi enclave on Telos for him to attack. He was probably just pondering on that.

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Too far away?

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In comparison:

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Your comparison is off, the ship is clearly closer in the second image, enough that we can see buildings and individual mountains.


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Indeed, and he was going to, just he was cut short by the arrival and confrontation with the Exile.
I suspect how long it takes him to drain depends on how much Force energy is in the planet. Katarr had much more then Telos.

The Strike Team was busy fighting in the Station to secure it before boarding Ravager.

Nihilus had ample time to attack Telos IV.

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A homing beacon for what? There was no real jedi enclave on Telos for him to attack. He was probably just pondering on that.

This is just an assumption.

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Your comparison is off, the ship is clearly closer in the second image, enough that we can see buildings and individual mountains.

The details are meaningless. Katarr is apparently very small.

In comparison, see Earth: http://www.funxite.com/media/9157-e...ace-station.jpg

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Not really. And it's not like he had to do it right away, no living being in the galaxy was even worthy of his recognition.
Trying to understand the actions of a being like him doesn't really work... he perceives time and the galaxy differently from others.


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This is just an assumption.


You asked for an explanation, so I've given you one. If you can't think of a way to dispute it, then admit that your argument has failed.

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The details are meaningless. Katarr is apparently very small.


This is just an assumption. Nihilus' ship could also be much closer and thus the details are noticeable.


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Not really. And it's not like he had to do it right away, no living being in the galaxy was even worthy of his recognition.
Trying to understand the actions of a being like him doesn't really work... he perceives time and the galaxy differently from others.

All I am getting are assumptions. Nothing concrete.

Show me evidence of Nihilus draining on planetary scale with a word.

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You asked for an explanation, so I've given you one. If you can't think of a way to dispute it, then admit that your argument has failed.

Your explanation is also an assumption.

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This is just an assumption. Nihilus' ship could also be much closer and thus the details are noticeable.

Did you notice the planetary curvature? Obviously Nihilus's ship was at a distance that he could observe plantary curvatures.

Now see this:

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You can see the curvature but not mountains and buildings. The planet is very big. This is why.

And Nihilus was this close to Telos IV. Recheck the image.

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All I am getting are assumptions. Nothing concrete.

Show me evidence of Nihilus draining on planetary scale with a word.


"He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings, or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well."
―Darth Traya (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

"As Nihilus greedy consumes entire planets life energies, the dark side macerates him even faster."
―Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

"Amazingly dark and devastating powers are the purview of some of the greatest Sith Lords of the Knights of the Old Republic era. They devastate and consume entire worlds with a thought. [...] Average beings stand no chance of stopping these ultra-powerful monsters of the dark side."
―Power Beyond Belief: Using Ultra-Powerful Sith Lords in Saga Edition

"Darth Nihilus began his Jedi purge by obliterating the planet of Katarr, where a secret conclave of the most powerful Jedi were taking place."
―The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

"The last known Convocation occured on Katarr some 3,952 years before the Battle of Yavin. The assembled Jedi were slaughtered when the Sith Lord Darth Nihilus laid waist to the planet."
―The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

"And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
―Darth Traya (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

"Then her lies will mean the planet's destruction, he will destroy all of Telos. He will turn it to fire again and crush the planet beneath him."
―Visas Marr (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station, he will cleanse it of life. Even if the people below are not Force Sensitive, the small amount he can feed on from the mass destruction of the station, and the life of the planet, will sustain him a while longer."
―Tobin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

"Darth Nihilus is literally a destroyer of worlds, powered by an insatiable hunger that drives him to consume greater and greater populations. While one may reasonably expect someone fallen to the dark side to employ Force lightning against a foe, no one expects a fleet of starships commanded by Sith Lords consuming entire planets. Nor would Nihilus tolerate such a rival and competitor for his sustenance."
―Power Beyond Belief: Using Ultra-Powerful Sith Lords in Saga Edition


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