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Palpatine wins.


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Only fanboys argue Yoda. The guy didn't even crush Dooku.


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Sidious. He is above Yoda in every category, going by movie feats.


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Yoda, every single time


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Yoda, every single time


Based off of him coming off inferior in their only on screen fight?


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People discussing wether one of them has a girlfriend or not.
Welcome to KMC kindergarten. How old are you people? 12? Are you even allowed to post here?

Back to topic: If you put them on equal ground, Yoda would most likely win. While Palpatine has the edge on Yoda with the Force (if only for his offensive abilities in comparison to the Jedi Master), he - according to the RotS script - was disarmed by the Jedi Master in lightsaber combat. If Sidious can't move into a position that gives him time to capitalize on that advantage (higher ground, enviroment), I doubt he would win.

He, after all, did lose to Mace Windu who, by all accounts, was inferior to Yoda.


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Yoda, every single time
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Welcome to KMC kindergarten. How old are you people? 12? Are you even allowed to post here?

Back to topic: If you put them on equal ground, Yoda would most likely win. While Palpatine has the edge on Yoda with the Force (if only for his offensive abilities in comparison to the Jedi Master), he - according to the RotS script - was disarmed by the Jedi Master in lightsaber combat. If Sidious can't move into a position that gives him time to capitalize on that advantage (higher ground, enviroment), I doubt he would win.

He, after all, did lose to Mace Windu who, by all accounts, was inferior to Yoda.
Windu beat Palpatine. Yoda didn't. Yoda also didn't beat Dooku. Windu is better than Yoda with a saber. Facts matter.


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he - according to the RotS script - was disarmed by the Jedi Master in lightsaber combat. a.


keep in mind that Sidious wasn't able to move around, he was stuck on that senate pod, had he been able to maneuver I think that would end up differently

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People discussing wether one of them has a girlfriend or not.
Welcome to KMC kindergarten. How old are you people? 12? Are you even allowed to post here?

Back to topic: If you put them on equal ground, Yoda would most likely win. While Palpatine has the edge on Yoda with the Force (if only for his offensive abilities in comparison to the Jedi Master), he - according to the RotS script - was disarmed by the Jedi Master in lightsaber combat. If Sidious can't move into a position that gives him time to capitalize on that advantage (higher ground, enviroment), I doubt he would win.

He, after all, did lose to Mace Windu who, by all accounts, was inferior to Yoda.


I see where your coming from, but I believe that Sidious wouldn't need that type of advantage you say. The environmental advantage. I'm very much confident Sidious could in fact power through Yoda or eventually wear him down with his power.

Not saying your wrong cause your not since they are very evenly matched and this is movies only and the environment is different so yea.


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Windu beat Palpatine. Yoda didn't. Yoda also didn't beat Dooku. Windu is better than Yoda with a saber. Facts matter.


So does Context.


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So does Context.
Windu won a fair a one on one fight. Sidious couldn't disarm Windu but he easily disarmed Yoda. Context certainly does matter, kid.


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It's very close, as it was also portrayed in the movie and the script. I'll say that Yoda like before will win the sword fight, because he already did that, and the same goes for palpatine in regards to the force fight. leaning towards a stalemate with a slight edge in the long run to palpatine.


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Windu beat Palpatine. Yoda didn't. Yoda also didn't beat Dooku. Windu is better than Yoda with a saber. Facts matter.


You have absolutely no idea about the SW universe.

Windu beat Palpatine because the latter couldn't utilize the enviroment in order to turn a lightsaber fight (where he is strong, but not as strong as in force combat) into a force duel. And Yoda didn't beat Dooku, because he decided that it was more important to save Obi-Wan and Anakin than to stop his former apprentice.

And since "facts matter", here are the facts for you:
Yoda is, in general, recognized as the most powerful Jedi (force) and the best duellist of the order (lightsaber combat). This is pretty much confirmed by every single SW source. The noteable difference (read: context) between Sidious fights with Yoda and Mace, is the fact that Yoda didn't fight him on equal ground and that he utilized the enviroment to his advantage in both the saber fight and the "force contest".

And still Yoda was beating him in both. According to the RotS script, the Jedi Master disarmed his opponent in the saber duel, so Sidious did bring as much distance between him and the Jedi Master and started with the Senate pod throwing. Once more: Yoda manages to stop one of these pods and almost hits the Sith Lord by throwing it back into his face. And during the final moments of their duel, we see Yoda catching Sidious lightning and bending forward, while the Sith Lords bends backward, indicating that even here Yoda was about to "win" that little force contest, until the energy between the two exploded and he dropped down.

Note: On equal ground, the initial disarming of Sidious would probably have led to his defeat. And the same would have happened in a direct force contest, where both would have ended up on equal ground again, after the explosion of force powers between them.

There was a reason why Sidious tried to run away from Yoda, where he happily charged Windu who was accompanied by three other Jedi.


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You have absolutely no idea about the SW universe.

Windu beat Palpatine because the latter couldn't utilize the enviroment in order to turn a lightsaber fight (where he is strong, but not as strong as in force combat) into a force duel. And Yoda didn't beat Dooku, because he decided that it was more important to save Obi-Wan and Anakin than to stop his former apprentice.

And since "facts matter", here are the facts for you:
Yoda is, in general, recognized as the most powerful Jedi (force) and the best duellist of the order (lightsaber combat). This is pretty much confirmed by every single SW source. The noteable difference (read: context) between Sidious fights with Yoda and Mace, is the fact that Yoda didn't fight him on equal ground and that he utilized the enviroment to his advantage in both the saber fight and the "force contest".

And still Yoda was beating him in both. According to the RotS script, the Jedi Master disarmed his opponent in the saber duel, so Sidious did bring as much distance between him and the Jedi Master and started with the Senate pod throwing. Once more: Yoda manages to stop one of these pods and almost hits the Sith Lord by throwing it back into his face. And during the final moments of their duel, we see Yoda catching Sidious lightning and bending forward, while the Sith Lords bends backward, indicating that even here Yoda was about to "win" that little force contest, until the energy between the two exploded and he dropped down.

Note: On equal ground, the initial disarming of Sidious would probably have led to his defeat. And the same would have happened in a direct force contest, where both would have ended up on equal ground again, after the explosion of force powers between them.

There was a reason why Sidious tried to run away from Yoda, where he happily charged Windu who was accompanied by three other Jedi.
Ironic since you ignore the context of pretty much everything you discuss in the Star Wars universe. Allow me to set you straight again.

That is your opinion that isn't a fact. You see my biased and clueless friend what did occur was a fact. What might have happened is an opinion which is speculative. wink

Yoda is the best in the force. That's what makes his failure even harder to swallow for Star Wars fans. You need to accept his "L." Anakin was a lot better than Kenobi as well but that didn't mean Kenobi couldn't beat him. In fact he did.


Yoda did fight him on equal ground. They both started out on even ground. The room opened up. Sidious didn't start higher up on a pod he worked toward that area and began his assault on Yoda. That's Yoda's bad. So making Yoda's disarming of him even worse due to the fact he couldn't pin a disarmed foe like Windu did. Yoda had his chance and we later see Sidious use his fl on the same pod to disarm Yoda. That didn't work on Windu when Sidious was disarmed. Your excuses are just that.

Note: Speculation.


Sidious didn't initially try to run he bragged about him feeling the power of the dark side and then had Yoda at his mercy for over 30 seconds. Try watching the fight. Sidious is an idiot and didn't press his advantage. Then after Yoda force pushed him he tried leaving but Yoda isn't Windu. Windu drew his saber immediately and wasn't going to let it happen. Yoda initially didn't even get his saber out because he's stupid and took force lightning to the body.


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One thing I would like to bring up is that Sidious was in a disadvantaged position in his lightsaber deul with Yoda. He was in a cramped position and was limited in movement while Yoda was aloud to spin around and attack at all angles.


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One thing I would like to bring up is that Sidious was in a disadvantaged position in his lightsaber deul with Yoda. He was in a cramped position and was limited in movement while Yoda was aloud to spin around and attack at all angles.
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Based off of him coming off inferior in their only on screen fight?

It didn't look like that to me


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It didn't look like that to me


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