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Inedian
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Originally posted by Astner
Adam Warlock allowed the Living Tribunal to inactivate the gems to spare the destruction of the universe. It certainly wasn't a joke to the Living Tribunal.

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It seems it was.

''I represent forces that dwarf even your might''.

He did it with snap of his fingers.

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It seems as if AW doubted LTs words


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It seems it was.

He did it with snap of his fingers.

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Adam Warlock killed the host by raising his fist and the Living Tribunal brought them back with the snap of a finger. It's not like Adam couldn't kill them again if he wanted to.

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''I represent forces that dwarf even your might''.

He represented Above-All-Others.

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"Mighty and jealous Eternity had him called before the Living Tribunal, the representative of the one who is above all."

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It seems as if AW doubted LTs words

There is nothing in the series that suggests that the Infinity Gems are beneath the Living Tribunal, let alone a "joke" to him. In fact it was left ambiguous for quite some time.

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Adam Warlock killed the host by raising his fist and the Living Tribunal brought them back with the snap of a finger. It's not like Adam couldn't kill them again if he wanted to.

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He represented Above-All-Others.

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"Mighty and jealous Eternity had him called before the Living Tribunal, the representative of the one who is above all."


There is nothing in the series that suggests that the Infinity Gems are beneath the Living Tribunal, let alone a "joke" to him. In fact it was left ambiguous for quite some time.


You think they are equals?


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You think they are equals?

No. It's clear that the Living Tribunal is beyond the Infinity Gems.

But in the Infinity arc—Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, and Infinity Watch; in particular—the comparison between the two was left ambiguous.

So when Inedian posts part of the scene from Infinity Watch and then implies that the Living Tribunal was portrayed as being well beyond the power of the Infinity Gems he is wrong.

In fact it's very clear from this scene:

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"Such a confrontation would lay waste to this reality," is heavily indicative of that a confrontation would be more than just a snap of a finger.

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So when Inedian posts part of the scene from Infinity Watch and then implies that the Living Tribunal was portrayed as being well beyond the power of the Infinity Gems he is wrong.


No I am not, because it was clear LT being beyond IG, easily beyond. And Adam Warlock was just some child with immense power, immature mind to the core extremely unworthy of such power. Of course a child like that likes to contradict.

Of course it would waste a reality, already a wave of such powers between the two would do that.

When others were destroyed, LT wasn't even phased and when IG destroyed Eternity and others... he already wasted a reality, since Eternity is that reality and whom LT brought back easily and AW was in awe when he did that.

The whole scene wasn't even about LT stopping AW (there wasn't doubt or worry about that, but why fight, when there is no need and LT knew that), it was more about if AW was worthy of such power... and of course he was from it.

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No I am not, because it was clear LT being beyond IG, easily beyond.

Based on what?

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When others were destroyed, LT wasn't even phased and when IG destroyed Eternity and others... he already wasted a reality, since Eternity is that reality

There is a distinction. Eternity is the manifestation of the universe, not the universe itself.

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and whom LT brought back easily and AW was in awe when he did that.

It wasn't awe, it was surprise. Adam still doubted the legitimacy of Living Tribunal's claim when he stated that he represented a force beyond him.

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The whole scene wasn't even about LT stopping AW (there wasn't doubt or worry about that, but why fight, when there is no need and LT knew that), it was more about if AW was worthy of such power... and of course he was from it.

In this particular scene the Living Tribunal had already reached a verdict. Adam were to surrender the power of the gems or there would be a battle. It was not because Adam thought he'd lose, but because he didn't want to be that kind of God.

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It's quite apparent that LT is multiversal:

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Here is the multiversal LT:

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What we see in each universe is a sliver:

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Evidence supports that Spectre is shown as a peer to a sliver residing in 616:

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That's not Spectre.

And Starlin retconned that there is a separate LT in every reality.

Spectre stomps the shit out of universal LT.

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That's not Spectre.

And Starlin retconned that there is a separate LT in every reality.

Spectre stomps the shit out of universal LT.

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Nope. Starlin didn't retcon anything. Spectre is a peer to a sliver. And no one said that that was Spectre.

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And no one said that that was Spectre.


I'm not of the opinion that the Spectre is a peer to LT (except perhaps in COIE), but come on. If you're talking about the "hooded, spectral ally", then of course it's the Spectre. To say otherwise could not be more senselessly obtuse. In a Marvel-only book they can't use his name or image for copyright reasons, so they paint a painfully obvious picture.

You seem to do this a lot - claiming vagueness when meaning is obvious. It's annoying, and you should stop it. no expression


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I'm not of the opinion that the Spectre is a peer to LT (except perhaps in COIE), but come on. If you're talking about the "hooded, spectral ally", then of course it's the Spectre. To say otherwise could not be more senselessly obtuse. In a Marvel-only book they can't use his name or image for copyright reasons, so they paint a painfully obvious picture.

You seem to do this a lot - claiming vagueness when meaning is obvious. It's annoying, and you should stop it. no expression


What are you talking about? I was speaking of the other being pictured in the panel. You need to get a grip and address the person who made the original assertion if you believe that he is referring to the hooded ally and take your target off of me.

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They are more or less equals


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I've always viewed Spectre as, essentially, DC's equivalent of a... More active LT.

Meaning: Spectre gets involved in events that effect creation on a grand scale, as well as relatively minor/earth-based happenings. LT, on the other hand, only involves himself in the former. /shrug


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*Guess I should have worded it differently.

LT would actually be Marvel's version of a less active Spectre, given that Spectre predates LT by almost 30 years.


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Lt wins.


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Nope. Starlin didn't retcon anything. Spectre is a peer to a sliver. And no one said that that was Spectre.

Yes, he did.

There is no such thing as Sliver stated in Starlin's work.


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They are more or less equals


This.

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Yes, he did.

There is no such thing as Sliver stated in Starlin's work.


So if something is not stated in a Starlin book, that means that iti is retconned? Stop trolling dude.

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LT wins.

I like the Spectre as a character, much more intresting.


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