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Originally posted by Jmanghan
Thor regularly gets the shit kicked out of him by Hulk, who isnt on Superman's level in the strength department.

Yeah, Hulk is above Superman in strength.

But i digress,

This isnt about Hulk.

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BRB has fought at light speeds no ? I'm not buying the argument Thor would be in slow motion because his history says otherwise.

BRB never fought at light speed (not even close)
Thor is not Brb

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Yeah, Hulk is above Superman in strength.

But i digress,

This isnt about Hulk.

WBH yes, other Hulk no. Superman is significantly above most Hulks in the strength department.

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Superman doesn't usually speed-blitz the people he's fighting. Not saying he hasn't ever, but it's not something he normally does. He overpowers or outthinks enemies. That's what he relies on.

Were he to fight Thor, speed isn't going to be an issue. He can move faster than Thor, yes, but he can also move faster than all the other people he's fought without speed-blitzing them. It's not a skill he generally brings into play in a fight.

And Superman probably doesn't come out on top here anyway. He's allergic to magic hammers. They make him break out in...giant magic hammer bruises.

Superman doesn't have to speed blitz. But he will operate at superspeed. He will perceive in super speed.
This power is ALWAYS ON. Writer's ignore these powers for the sake of the plot. You wrongly assume that Superman purposely don't use them sometimes.

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on here and a lot of other fiction vs sites the general consensus seems to be that superman beats thor...............but only because of the massive speed advantage, without speed would superman still take a majority?

also if thor had supes/flash like speed would he beat superman for a majority?

All of his stats are the reason why he edges out a majority against Thor.

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Superman doesn't have to speed blitz. But he will operate at superspeed. He will perceive in super speed.
This power is ALWAYS ON. Writer's ignore these powers for the sake of the plot. You wrongly assume that Superman purposely don't use them sometimes.

Same apies to Thor.
His hammer has a bajillion different offensive/defensive/BFR capabilities. Those capabilities are ALWAYS THERE. Writers ignore these capabilities for the sake of the plot.

If we (not you and i specifically, a general we) are going to ignore how Superman actually fights and debate him the way we'd like because of what he can potentially do, then we need to treat Thor the same.
In which case, he'd win a majority over Superman in forum fights.

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Most of this is also right.
Superman's ability to tank damage is what puts him above other characters at DC who may equal/surpass him in other areas.
Superman's the top guy at DC, everyone else lines up behind him.
At Marvel it isnt as clear cut, as many of their most powerful characters stand shoulder.
Its just the way the realities are geared.

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I know, right? This one was so baffling I couldn't decide how to respond.

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Superman's most powerful power is his strength where as Thor most powerful power really comes in the form of his hammer if it weren't for his hammer he wouldn't have ever made it into Exitar's helmet or blocked Juggernaut's magic.

And yet Hulk is still able to beat him on a consistent basis, more then Thor is able to beat him.

In fact, there are points where Hulk almost kills Thor.

Superman would Tear Hulk's arms off and beat him with it.

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Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Is this 1999? Hasn't anyone learned anything about comics? Super speed is a seriously problematic power that rarely gets used reliably by bricks with other powers.
Basically, Superman's speed is unlikely to be a factor in a fight with Thor. And when it is, the writer in question is unlikely to have it be a major factor--maybe there's be just a panel displaying a cool-looking speed blitz that can't be responded to. After that, Superman and Thor will go back to trading big hits at normal speed.
Pick Thor or Superman, but don't imagine that speed matters much in deciding the outcome.

Some people are determined it's all about speed, speed being the deciding factor. it is A factor, not a deciding factor.

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And yet Hulk is still able to beat him on a consistent basis, more then Thor is able to beat him.

In fact, there are points where Hulk almost kills Thor.

Superman would Tear Hulk's arms off and beat him with it.

See a specialist.

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Yeah, Hulk is above Superman in strength.

But i digress,

This isnt about Hulk.

Hulk isnt even close to being close to being close to Superman in strength, even the non-canon crossover proves this when Hulk can't even hurt him.

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See a specialist.

Go read John Civino's Hero Envy Blog to get your mind blown at how many times Thor has lost to Hulk.

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Go read John Civino's Hero Envy Blog to get your mind blown at how many times Thor has lost to Hulk.

And the lack of times Thor has beaten Hulk, it lists almost every time they fought.

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Go read John Civino's Hero Envy Blog to get your mind blown at how many times Thor has lost to Hulk.

It's not nearly how you are making it to be, AND, Thor holds back with Hulk. He fights him with fisticuffs and his hardly as angry at Hulk Hulk is with Thor.

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People still think they are equals? After all this time?

LMAO.

Its a toss up. They are more or less equals and even with speed factored in it could go either way on any given day. Anyone who says otherwise is a BIASED FANBOY.

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You could debate durability all day, but Superman has objectively better strength feats. That's not fanboyism, that's measurable.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Ob...e_vs_Subjective

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This^

Might need to repeat this about 700 times or so.

Well, i DO have the post count for it... wink

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Hulk isnt even close to being close to being close to Superman in strength, even the non-canon crossover proves this when Hulk can't even hurt him.

I believe in Bigfoot.

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You could debate durability all day, but Superman has objectively better strength feats. That's not fanboyism, that's measurable.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Ob...e_vs_Subjective

Its splitting hairs. What Superman has is speed/durability/whatever...Thor makes up energy projection/esoteric abilities/whatever. It's an exercise is semantics in a loaded thread. They are roughly equals ALL things considered.

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Who the heck considers all things?
I personally like to consider only whats beneficial to my argument. wink

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You could debate durability all day, but Superman has objectively better strength feats. That's not fanboyism, that's measurable.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Ob...e_vs_Subjective

No it actually isn't measurable. They never had a cannon crossover that involved a contest of strength and one of them emerged victorious. And even if one did, it wouldn't be by a wide gap. One boxer doesn't beat another in the same weight class solely because they bench press more.

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