Let's not do mental gymnastics here Nova, he's very much likely more skillful and no it isn't, dueling evenly is matching each other in all areas to the point nobody can get a permanent advantage throughout the fight. Zannah only defended from Bane's attacks, hardly means that she's dueling evenly or do you want to assume Ahsoka's Vader's equal because the latter couldn't break her defenses?
Point still stands that Zannah and Bane were rough equals yet still were talented in different areas.
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Bondara's considered one of the best fighters the Jedi Order had during the PT Era and he's even a weapon's master IIRC marking him one of the best in the Jedi Order's history.
Following quote gives you a good idea of the hype Weapon's Masters generally receive:
"Only a handful were ever elevated to the rank of Jedi Weapons Master, and these were revered for their skills."
--Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
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Actually, more than a padawan... And yeah, other sources have recokened him as one of the best swordsmen of the Order, and he is a Jedi Weapon's Master, which is the highest rank of warrior that masters some of the most difficult disciplines of fighting in the Order.
There's no mental gymanstics, lol. Banite Sith challenge their Masters when they're on the same level. As for Zannah only defending - that's part of Soresu and why I quoted Fightsaber. Zannah vs Bane is similar to Ben vs Vader in that Soresu allowed her to hold off Bane and prevent Bane from penetrating her defenses, but couldn't bring her victory in actual dueling.
The fact that there are talents in different realms of the Force doesn't mean that it applies to lightsaber combat as well. There's obviously more factors to it than just power, but as of yet it's a rather well established principle in SW that the powerful have a natural, innate talent for a lightsaber, and that makes sense considering it's the Force that allows you to wield a lightsaber to good effect to begin with. What was the evidence in your mind to suggest otherwise?
And the Bane trilogy doesn't just suggest that power is heavily involved in dueling - it outright states it.
Well that's unfair, I mean Vader can push back Ahsoka and everyone's agreeing that he's winning because he's gaining ground etc but when we put Ben (or Zannah) in Ahsoka's place, he's (or she's) just employing his fighting style and generally considered equal because Vader can't penetrate Ben's defenses while Vader never penetrated Ahsoka's defenses either. I understand of course that Soresu fighters are defensive but the whole "he's willingly giving ground" argument is just unfair when looking at other characters.
Yes, I agree with that but (again) where do you draw the line? Because if you can't properly use your theory then it's worthless on these boards. I was mainly considering Maul vs Obi-Wan, Vader vs Ben, Luke vs Vader, ... In all those fights there is one character considerably more powerful than the other yet that doesn't completely translate wen looking at their lightsaber duels.
Voila, yet even there Bane's still Zannah's superior in martial combat (before even showing his full prowess in that area) so the gap between them is pretty noticeable. Anyway, it actually shouldn't matter that much, I mean Kun's superior power would already be taken into account when examining his feats right so why make a different discussion of it?
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