Islam has that problem more than any religion under the sun, Superman is my no. 1 superhero character, but I know how to leep it in it's proper perspective. As for hurting someone's religious feelings and speaking of myself, I know what's real in the Lord, as the Word asks...........who shall separate us from the love of Christ?.......not possible here.
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In this period of time, absolutely. Islam right now is where Christiany used to be in that regard. But even today in some places people get jailed/persecuted for challenging Chrisitanity. So there's room for improvement. I only quoted you because it seemed to me that your default position was that we shouldn't be allowed to place Jesus in the category of fictional characters.
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The only people who throw Jesus in with fictional characters are unbelievers, and those who do so doesn't offend me as much as they used as I've become much stronger in the Lord over the years, actually it confirms to me and likewise believers of how God hsve had mercy on our souls and have truly Blessed us.
As for religious persecution.......there are exceptions in any case but Islam has it's roots in violent bloodshed, and still do among many fractions, there are those who are Islamic apologist and try to proclaim the faith to be misunderstood and in truth a religion of peace and submission unto God, sorry but it is anything but that, one need only go to their own "Holy" books to view it's origins.
Last days of the month you mean I presume. Since it says “ But of that day and that hour knoweth no man“?
If it’s “there will be trouble in the future” “people will feel betrayed” “wars will happen”. Then that doesn’t count. All those things were happening before he was born. It’s very easy to be incredibly vague and then act like some sort of fortune teller.
As one who comes off like an unbeliever ( correct me if I'm wrong) you seem to know a little bit about the Bible but obviously not enough, and I don't mean the "end of the month" but of course the warnings that the Lord Jesus concerning the signs of the end times, such as........wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes in divers places ( look at the various places suffering from earthquakes that was not considered earthquake territory at one time ) the father agsinst the son and the son against the father, the mother against the daughter and the daughter against the mother, the mother in law against the daughter in law and the daughter in law against the mother in law.
Understand that these things are going on right now as we speak, you alleged that some of these things were going on before the Lord was born physically here on earth, but no.........not to the extent yhat it is happening now.
You don't think the world is a more peaceful place, then say, when Genghis Khan was running around, or WW2, WW1, when Alexander was conquering Asia etc?
And that's just me using events familiar to Western readers. Am sure the Native and Central/South Americans, the general continent of Africa etc will have something to say about bloody periods in their past, compared to now.
Yes, to us all religions with miracle claims seem equally implausible. As for Islam being rooted in violence, it is. So is Christianity. At best Christians get to argue that Bible is not AS bad or that Christians are LESS violent, but historically speaking it doesn't hold up. Every major religion has its share of dishonest apologists. Same goes for all the "Holy" books.
I like to use Star Wars as an analogy. I love SW both the original trilogy and the prequels. I realize that both are silly and have plot holes. So when someone tells me that all these movies are silly I don't mind. But if somebody's going to sit there and tell me that prequels suck because they are stupid and make no sense, while at the same time claiming that the original trilogy is this ingenious masterpiece... yeah no. It's dishonest.
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That point was slightly sarcastic. In that it was said no man knows the time the world will end. And that wars, infighting etc have always existed throughout history. I think the Romans did a lot of killing before Jesus was born. The Hittites. I could go on.
It’s an easy ambiguous point to make. And on the topic of the bible itself I’ve read it all the way through. From the Prequels yo the Sequels.
I would say that any peace the may seem to be enjoying is a sham in the sense that world peace is like a pot of hot water gradually boiling to the point of boiling over on the stove, using that metaphor to say this.........as my trust is deeply rooted in the Word of God, it speaks of a very troubled time to come.
I can't say or not rather there will be a WW3 for example but if nothing else the Bible let's know that there will be a coalition formed against the nation of Israel that will require the supernatural intervention of God himself to come to Israel's rescue, Bible prophecy is not wrong, there are troubled times ahead and at this point in time we are seeing the ground work being laid, and remember the final battle of Armageddon.
You are right in the sense that many fractions of "Christianity" also has also had it's roots shrouded in bloody violence well, particularly Catholicism ( sorry for who ever this may offend ) the spsnish inquisition wars and other inquisition wars that worked opression and religious intolerance against others, and there were the Salem witch hunts/trials of hundreds of years ago, that burned those at the stake who were suspected of practicing sorcery, because of the Bible I believe that there are those who have satanic knowledge of black magic, which was why God command in the old ordinances to kill them, my thinking is that if those killed were truly witches could they have been so easily found out and killed?
Anyway my overall point is that not everything or everyone professing themselves to be of Christ is anything of the kind, I pretty much guarantee you that roughly 99% out of 100 professing their christianity are really not at all, remember.........the statement "I am a Christian" is perhaps the most over used terminology in existence, but examine that persons life living for a clue of who they really are, Lord Jesus said that 'you will know them by their fruits'. Jesus was about live and tolerance for our fellow man, and to for those who mistreat snd misuse you, and to even Bless your enemy and not to seek revenge against them as HE ( the Lord ) will repsy our enemies for their mistreatment of us, no one is getting away.
Again I agree with you that no man knows the day or the time of the Lord's return to this earth, that's Bible and that is why the saints of God are to always be ready to go back with him so that that day do not catch us unawares, as it's said that he will as a thief in the night.
I was about to respond to JBL with this very same thing , so you somewhat took the words right out of my mouth so to speak.
I'd just like to add this however as you mentioned thst God created the Angels, Planets as well as the sun and the moon, people on a vast level do not truly know who Jesus is, people think that his beginning was merely some 2,000 years ago when he was born to a then virgin named Mary, and of course that shell of flesh was what was the son of God that shedd blood for the redemption of many, but the spirit working in that body was that of the heavenly father making him both human and devine, both father and son and both God and man, the 1st chapter of the book of John lets us know that Jesus was here from the very beginning, he was the WORD that was with God and he was the WORD that WAS GOD that spoke everything you see around you into existence, and lastly he was the WORD that was made flesh and dwelt among us.
Lastly I'll like to say that it is pleasure to find another person posting on this forum who is likewise appalled at the idea of lumping the Lord Jesus in among fictional comicbook characters, truly insulting and disrespectful to our Lord as you said. Blessed day sir.
Last edited by lawest9 on Dec 26th, 2019 at 04:13 PM
But only ONE GOD who died that we can be reconciled to that one God, that might sound like a paradox to those without spiritual understanding, but it's true nonetheless.
So Jesus was born before the Hittite Empire started (1600 BCE)
And the Roman Empire (753 BCE)?
That's why I say people saying the end times are coming are not getting it right as nobody knows. It's become a pithy thing to say but by your books own admission nobody knows.
Plenty of Gods have died for the good of another people. It's not exclusive to Christianity. Prometheus is one good example. Almost like Plagarism.
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I did look up the disease anyway, very ugly and nasty thing to have and I vaguely remember reading about the disease somewhere many years ago, but why do you contribute the disease as something that God himself created, over the centuries certain diseases have actually been contributed to demonic forces.
I remember looking at a religious program once where a man was giving a testimony of healing and telling his story behind it, he spoke of a agonizing pain in his shoulder that he had to get emergency hospital care for, while sitting on the hospital bed he said a person came into his room ( likely medical staff ) and that this person obviously had the ability to see things that most of us can't ( thank God ) and that person described to him that he saw a miniature demonic figure sitting on his hurting shoulder with long sharp claws that was dugged deep into his shoulder, scary to think about, eh?
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