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Diesldude
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Hyperion's feat is better...obviously..

thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Mar 22nd, 2020 06:10 PM

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If you want my honest opinion, it depends how you view the mechanics that causes the convergence.

I can see it as stopping a universe from crashing into another of the Earth is the bullet and the parallel universe is the gunpowder. I can also see it as planetary if you feel like it's more of collision that causing the universes to ignite.

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Haven't see so many people triggered in one thread.
Smh this wasn't my intent. Which feat do you think is better?

I responded on the first page when I quoted Carver.

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If you show a character stopping or deflecting a bullet, are you only giving them credit for being able to catch/deflect a few grams of metal or the force behind it?

Mar 22nd, 2020 06:14 PM

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I responded on the first page when I quoted Carver.

ok.

Mar 22nd, 2020 06:21 PM

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Haven't see so many people triggered in one thread.
Smh this wasn't my intent. Which feat do you think is better?

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So giving an opinion makes you a fanboy? Having you're own judgement on things makes a person a fanboy? Question, which person on this forum decides if a ft is valid so that from this point on, if I see this person post I can always agree with them?

I, THE KING OF CANON MAKE THOSE JUDGEMENTS!!!

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"Hyperion held them apart until the worlds broke". Something pushing against the planets (Universes) and Hyperion pushing against the opposing force (Universe) caused the planets to crumble which then caused both Universes to explode.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qi...18fe3cfe2117776

Seems straight forward to me.

But pushing back the planet to prevent it from colliding with the other planet stops the incursion. So that's all Hyperion had to do. The universe is mostly space. Things can move through space EVEN THOUGH space itself expands and push things forward. The best analogy would be pushing something in a body of water opposite of the current.

So the biggest question. How much force does the universe push things with? How much force does a current of water push things with?

So it's not straight forward. Everything is pure speculation at best.

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This is the deciding factor.
1. Do we believe WBH could achieve Hyperion's feat if he were between the two worlds trying to hold them apart?
2. Do we believe that Hyperion can collide with a mirror image of himself and not only disintegrate countless peers of Savage Hulk but shatter an entire planet and nearby moon from hundreds of yards away as collateral damage?

I'm pretty sure that the high majority of comic fans (including us members) would say yes to 1. and no to 2.

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Mar 22nd, 2020 07:41 PM

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But pushing back the planet to prevent it from colliding with the other planet stops the incursion. So that's all Hyperion had to do. The universe is mostly space. Things can move through space EVEN THOUGH space itself expands and push things forward. The best analogy would be pushing something in a body of water opposite of the current.

So the biggest question. How much force does the universe push things with? How much force does a current of water push things with?

So it's not straight forward. Everything is pure speculation at best.

But this conflicts with the actual analogy that the book gives and what Cap is stated to be doing to stop an incursion (pushing back a universe).

https://m.imgur.com/a/j6dbHEs

Mar 22nd, 2020 07:50 PM

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So WBH�s shared feat was better?

Yeah, I think WBH feat is indeed better, but not by much mind you.

I say this because unlike some people that try to interpret Hype feats to outlandishly, all he did was to hold the planets from hitting one another. The feat would have been far better if we were giving an exact time frame.

For all we know, the planets could be moving not even faster than a snail pace, or it could be moving at the speed of light.

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But this conflicts with the actual analogy that the book gives and what Cap is stated to be doing to stop an incursion (pushing back a universe).

https://m.imgur.com/a/j6dbHEs

What does Cap have to do with Hyperion or the Secret Society?
The latter proved that all it takes is to move the planet (not the universe).
Hyperion moving a planet through the universe is like someone moving an object on the surface of the water against the current.

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What does Cap have to do with Hyperion or the Secret Society?
The latter proved that all it takes is to move the planet (not the universe).
Hyperion moving a planet through the universe is like someone moving an object on the surface of the water against the current.

Same type of incursion.

Same writer.

Same story event.

Same time period.

Same exact run/title for Cap and Great Society

All happens in Hickman's crossover Avengers titles.

Why would the analogy apply to one incursion and not the other?

Mar 22nd, 2020 09:08 PM

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But pushing back the planet to prevent it from colliding with the other planet stops the incursion. So that's all Hyperion had to do. The universe is mostly space. Things can move through space EVEN THOUGH space itself expands and push things forward. The best analogy would be pushing something in a body of water opposite of the current.

So the biggest question. How much force does the universe push things with? How much force does a current of water push things with?

So it's not straight forward. Everything is pure speculation at best.

So the Universes kept moving forward when Hyperion stopped the planets?

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So the Universes kept moving forward when Hyperion stopped the planets?

You tell me? Did he stop the universe from moving?

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So the Universes kept moving forward when Hyperion stopped the planets?

You would have to be daft to think Hype held to Universes back.

All he did was to hold two planets from hitting each other. No more, no less.

Mar 22nd, 2020 10:26 PM

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You tell me? Did he stop the universe from moving?

I already answered that question. Now again, did the Universe keep moving forward or did it not?

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Yeah, I think WBH feat is indeed better, but not by much mind you.

I say this because unlike some people that try to interpret Hype feats to outlandishly, all he did was to hold the planets from hitting one another. The feat would have been far better if we were giving an exact time frame.

For all we know, the planets could be moving not even faster than a snail pace, or it could be moving at the speed of light.

Agreed good valid points. thumb up

Mar 22nd, 2020 11:07 PM

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What does Cap have to do with Hyperion or the Secret Society?
The latter proved that all it takes is to move the planet (not the universe).
Hyperion moving a planet through the universe is like someone moving an object on the surface of the water against the current.

ah ha, my mud balls in the ocean was a great analogy. thumb up

Mar 22nd, 2020 11:08 PM