Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
I know classic Simon "toppled" Thor. With a sucker punch. And the text made it clear he wasn't actually hurt.
Juggernaut did one shot Thing, for the record. Even Hulk rarely, if ever, did that.
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Because Cain can use all of his strength without fear of injuring himself. This is due to him having a toughness well beyond his strength level. Pretty sure I mentioned that. Stilt hates Thor and Hercules. For those reasons, it makes it pretty hard to take his opinion seriously.
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
The thing is that prior to that fight, juggernaut was known for invulnerability PLUS his forcefeild. In that particular issue the writer tied his ff to his invulnerability. Writer error or marvel retcon?
Also juggernaut states he's EASILY thors equal, so that dismisses him being in wondermans strength class and hercules being stronger than him. Wonderman almost died lifting thors weights...lol
I think juggs also states he's hulks equal in the #174 fight
Juggernaut also outmuscled hulk in the wwh storyline. I could be getting the situation twisted, but a fan asked the writer of xmen/wwh arc if it was juggernauts unstoppability or a test of strength. The writer responded it was a test of strength...
True that Cain did show great endurance in taking that battering, but he was on his way out if his forcefield haven't kicked back in, that is what saved him.
Captain America has done the same thing to Mister Hyde... and Spider-Man has beaten Firelord like that...
... is anyone arguing that makes them physically stronger than those guys? Hell, no.
It's a nice display of combat skill and speed... or rather, it would have been, if not for the fact that Thor's opponent was specifically not used to handling himself sans his invulnerability.
WW Hulk was the Green Scar holding back. We know this, it isn't really something that can be disputed. Why don't we go way back to the 90s? Do you remember Malibu comics? The Juggernaut was in those books. There was a cave-in during one of his apperances, and not that it was a bad scene of Cain, but it shows him struggling to keep a cave ceiling from falling on him. That's a cave. Compare that to the Hulk's lifting feats, Thor/Hercules' lifting feats, or Blue Marvel effortlessly lifting ahuge pyramid let alone a state sized asteroid that he had no trouble stopping. How can anyone claim that Cain is stronger than the Hulk when he stops holding back?
Abhi wants to lean on the comments page where one guy gives his opinion on a character that they did not create, while ignoring all of the countless times that it has been stated that the Hulk is the strongest one of all. When was Cain ever stated to be the strongest one of all? We have a scan of him fighting Thor, and we see firsthand which of them were dominant. Stilt makes it seem as if Thor becomes a Wu Shu master, and parries Cain's attacks. That's not what was shown though. Thor was hit full on, and he took the hit much like he'd take Wonder Man's attacks. He then proceeds to nearly KO Cain, who was practically helpess. Toughness enchantment kicks in, and Cain is saved.
We've seen Thor go at it with the Hulk, and we've seen the Hulk weather those same attacks. The difference here is that the Hulk is always fearful that if he stops holding back he'd end up killing more than his opponent. These are facts that were written on panel.
Let's jump to Colossus vs The Juggernaut in a bar. That scene takes place when Colossus was still a teen. Do you recall what the Green Scar did to Colossus' arms during a test of strength? Rewind* The famous bar room brawl between Colossus and the Juggernaut. Look how long it took for Cain the defeat a younger, weaker version of Colossus, and compare it to the scene during WW Hulk, who not only broke Colossus' arms but beat his entire team with other Mutant teams jumping in. He was still drastically holding back.
Way back during the Secret Wars, the Hulk braces an entire mountain, while Cain was trapped beneath a collapsed temple which took him years to get out of. How could anyone belive that Cain is stronger than the Hulk unless they've decided to willfully ignore all of that?
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