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carver9
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It's funny how highly people rate classic Mangog because of Odin and the Asgardians. But in those comics the Asgardians were so weak that they were getting killed by falling 20 ft down into water. Thor was getting koed by falling off Mangog's back.

People ignore that but bring up the low showings in DOS. Double standards


If Thor fell off a bridge and got koed from the fall and Mangog struggle to knock him out in the same book, I would use that against him. What do you mean? Especially if these scene constantly happened.


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Originally posted by Smurph
But a blitz is what h1 is arguing.


I honestly think you can make a case for doomsday but not via blitze


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I honestly think you can make a case for doomsday but not via blitze
Yeah, agreed. I wouldn't have made the thread if I thought it was clear cut.

But if Abhi is pushing the h1 blitz argument then he should own it.

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Lmao... he wasn't even impressive in DOS. Not Jane impressive.

Lol, lmao even.
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lol

Well, you asked for Writer's intent.


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If Thor fell off a bridge and got koed from the fall and Mangog struggle to knock him out in the same book, I would use that against him. What do you mean? Especially if these scene constantly happened.

Have you actually read the Mangog stories?
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Yeah, agreed. I wouldn't have made the thread if I thought it was clear cut.

But if Abhi is pushing the h1 blitz argument then he should own it.

I said he doesn't needs to blitz her to beat her.


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Lol, lmao even.
Well, you asked for Writer's intent.
No, I sarcastically lol'd at h1 vaguely waving at "writer's intent"

Then I actually lol'd at the Byrne forum link

Do you think that DD blitzes Jane? Because that's why h1 was crying "writer's intent"

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No, I sarcastically lol'd at h1 vaguely waving at "writer's intent"

Then I actually lol'd at the Byrne forum link

Do you think that DD blitzes Jane? Because that's why h1 was crying "writer's intent"

Honestly, no. A bullrush type attack is more likely than a Flash type blitz.


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He's faster than her though


laughing out loud

He is a slow ass brick.

Superman always struggles with those. Hulk would annihilate him in 2-3 panels.


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Jane would send Doomsday to Jupiter with one blow. Both Superman and Doomsday were incredibly weak in the Death of Superman arc.

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- Mighty Thor (2016) #5

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- Superman (1987) #75

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Originally posted by carver9
If Thor fell off a bridge and got koed from the fall and Mangog struggle to knock him out in the same book, I would use that against him. What do you mean? Especially if these scene constantly happened.


Did you read the comics? The Asgardians were written very weak (human level).

I'm just pointing out the double standards when posters cry about DOS DD low showings while ignoring his high showings (which contradict them) but ignoring Thor and the Asgardian low showings while putting Mangog on a pedestal.


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Jane would send Doomsday to Jupiter with one blow. Both Superman and Doomsday were incredibly weak in the Death of Superman arc.

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- Mighty Thor (2016) #5

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- Superman (1987) #75


if only you are on dc side we could've been best friends astner


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if only you are on dc side we could've been best friends astner

I'm on their side when they win. Smurph is limiting Doomsday to a story where he he's barely a city-level threat, and he's giving Thor her entire arsenal of feats. Doomsday succumbed to blows many orders of magnitude below what Thor ditched out against Odin.

Doomsday would he dead before the impact would lift his feet off the ground.

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I'm on their side when they win. Smurph is limiting Doomsday to a story where he he's barely a city-level threat, and he's giving Thor her entire arsenal of feats. Doomsday succumbed to blows many orders of magnitude below what Thor ditched out against Odin.

Doomsday would he dead before the impact would lift his feet off the ground.


yeah the 90s were not good times for dc as far as feats go


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There was never a good time for DC, that's why they are such an inferior company.


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laughing out loud

He is a slow ass brick.

Superman always struggles with those. Hulk would annihilate him in 2-3 panels.

Hulk struggles with snakes, Superman just asks a new pet from krypton to kill him.
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Jane would send Doomsday to Jupiter with one blow. Both Superman and Doomsday were incredibly weak in the Death of Superman arc.

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- Mighty Thor (2016) #5

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- Superman (1987) #75

You're so easily impressed. Even pre DOS Superman was flunged hundreds of lightyears across and was merely knocked out.

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Hulk struggles with snakes, Superman just asks a new pet from krypton to kill him.
You're so easily impressed. Even pre DOS Superman was flunged hundreds of lightyears across and was merely knocked out.

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What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the Death of Superman arc. Moreover, Superman is not even taking a hit, or whatever you're trying to pass this scene off as.

The scene you posted is from Action Comics #664, and it's a direct continuation from Adventures of Superman #477 where Superman is flung back in time after the Sun-Eater explodes.

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Even if you want to argue that this is some kind of durability feat, it's not part of the Death of Superman arc. Furthermore, it doesn't change the fact that Superman's fight against Doomsday was on a level so far beneath Thor's battle with Odin that Doomsday couldn't even be considered a threat to Thor.

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Superman is not even taking a hit

But...the scans you posted seem to contradict you....
As Superman was in fire, and stated a force, which would have destroyed anyone lesser than Superman, flung him to here
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I mean he's not taking a physical blow as would've been delivered by Doomsday or Thor. If you want to be technical then sure, he survived the explosion of the Sun-Eater.

That said, it says it would've "such a journey would've destroyed a lesser man," what that means is that it would've killed anyone weaker. Moreover, note how is explicitly specifies the journey, not the explosion.

But you can't quantify this in any meaningful capacity because Superman is flung through time and space. You certainly can't infer from this alone that he would've survived a blow from Thor. Even the trajectory isn't as sharp nor is the impact as devastating as the ones generated by Thor and Odin.

But more importantly, this has nothing to do with the Death of Superman arc.

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Originally posted by Astner
I mean he's not taking a physical blow as would've been delivered by Doomsday or Thor. If you want to be technical then sure, he survived the explosion of the Sun-Eater.

That said, it says it would've destroyed any lesser man. Whatever that actually means is up to interpretation. But you can't quantify this in any meaningful capacity because Superman is flung through time and space. You certainly can't infer from this alone that he would've survived a blow from Thor. Even the trajectory isn't as sharp nor is the impact as devastating as the ones generated by Thor and Odin.

But more importantly, this has nothing to do with the Death of Superman arc.

Not disagreeing with your other point, I just thought saying he didn't take any hit seems a bit strange( sounds to me like he didn't take any damage at all. But the scans seems to show otherwise).

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