We know energy moves at the speed of light. It's like, a scientific fact.
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If YOU want to assert that it's special 'slow' energy, then YOU need to prove it. I am not going around saying the bullets fired at Tao's back were 'slow' bullets (lmao). I just accept that bullets are bullets.
I will wait.
Edit: at the very least, we can see that it has a light component, so we can at least use that.
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Last edited by DarkSaint85 on May 17th, 2025 at 09:19 PM
All blasts in comics do not move at light speed. 99% of the people in comics would be light speed, including Hulk who you tend to deny is FTL. What else ya got?
Deflecting bullets isn't all that, though? Street tiers do it all the time. Even Colossus, depowered to human level, was able to avoid getting hit by a bullet at close range AFTER it was fired.
This is why I said we should be consistent here. You want to accept bullets at face value - that's fine.
But then when it comes to energy blasts, you don't want to accept it at face value. That's just being biased and stacking the stipulations just so you can have one side winning.
Based on? Have you got any else, because the moment energy blasts are > bullets. People dodge bullets all the time in comics, to the point we have to make up aim dodging etc.
You're either consistent like me, or biased like you.
While I completely agree that Thing/Colossus would tank said explosion... It was still definitely more than a regular grenade, imo. The large trees on the ground were literally shown moving from the 'shockwave' or w/e. Normal grenades certainly wouldn't do that.
That was also a Red Ribbon bomb, tbf, which can basically have as much power as it wants(I know that's not "proof", but it's true.) These are the same people who randomly made a bunch of Freeza-level+ Androids, created a bio-engineered entity(Cell) that was capable of nuking the solar system, put a bomb in #16 that was capable of killing SS-level+ characters, more recently creating Cell Max(who had literal God-tier power), etc. etc. Tech in DB is wacky -- look at Capsules, for another example. They're basically scientific matter manip, lol.
Also worth noting that Tao had just got his ass beat by Goku there. Tired/exhausted characters have less ki(and therefore less durability) than 'fresh' characters who are at 100%. Also think carv is using Cyborg Tao here(who is considerably above human Tao), fwiw. /shrug
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As an aside, can we just take a moment to appreciate the fact that Tao was fully prepared to just vape two CHILDREN? It's giving "Maul about to run over lil Anakin for the lulz" vibes.
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Last edited by Galan007 on May 18th, 2025 at 11:32 AM
Then in a Marvel world where Dyson spheres exist and time travel and whatever Reed has down the back of his sofa, bullets and laser guns cannot be equated to real world physics, and so, I can pull a Carv and say bullets and bombs in comics are super advanced,, withoproof.
I get what you're saying, but that grenade is just a grenade absent special proof. Collateral damage is......iffy to use, but we COULD use it, and say those trees, whilst blown around, didn't even really lose their leaves etc.
And Cyborg Tao had a PL that was only about 2x iirc so even if we scaled that grenade up 2x, its still nothing compared to what Mr Grim and Commie Boy have taken.
Yeah, that's what I mean. Visually, Tao's RR grenade appeared to have far more output than a normal grenade(which basically just go "pop"), but we really can't accurately quantify its output either way(unless h1 wants to throw in some Terrance Howard maths?)
^ When we're discussing ki/energy attacks generated exclusively by one of the characters, then no, collateral damage is absolutely not a reliable measuring stick.
This was just a generic RR grenade, though... So collateral damage becomes a bit more important when determining 'yield' or w/e(not that it makes the showing any more quantifiable -- just saying that there IS a difference.)
I agree, Thing and Colossus would tank it. Galan made a good point about Tao being wrecked to the point of struggling to stand up, which would also play a role in his kai being depleted. I'm still interested in knowing what type of grenade that was since it was created by the Red Ribbon Army.
Tao wasn't wrecked to the point of struggling to stand though? He was wrecked to the point most of his body had to be replaced by cybernetic parts, and he had to use all of his money to do so.
It wasn't that special, as nearby trees were just waving in the wind, but that's it.
Imagine if I made a big song and dance about the blasts Colossus has outsped. Blasts from Sentinels, advanced machines designed specifically to hunt and destroy mutants.
The grenade obliterated him though. It didn't just KO him.
And even IF it weren't a normal grenade (still nothing saying otherwise), making some trees wave in the air isn't exactly impressive compared to other things these guys have tanked.
I'm pointing out his durability ain't all that. His best speed feat (the bullet) is outshone by Colossus alone outspeeding energy blasts after they've been fired by guys with extremely advanced tech (using your logic now, that advanced tech = more powerful weapons).
What else have you got? Because at this point Colossus alone is taking Tao out with a smile after he tries and fails to do anything.
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