Not kidding. Wolverine is one of the New Avengers now (thanks to Bendis; maybe he was reading this thread and saw your entry). I always thought of the Avengers as the squeaky-cleaner good guys, and I don't see how Wolverine is going to mesh with that concept. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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i thought the same of the avengers, until i read the ultimates, but yeah, they've changed the avengers so much now. i'd rather wolverine just disappeared, but i heard he was goin to the avengers, so it was some consolation, not much, but some.
btw i posted after i heard he was leavin
Yeah, whoopee. Now I get to read him wax philosophical about how he can't remember this and nobody loves me, boo hoo hoo... I say put him in his own book, JUST his own book, and let the rest of us read about somebody we want to read about. I'm not taking anything away from Wolverine, it's just that whenever he's in a comic, the writers tend to spend WAY too much time on him and not the rest of the team as a whole.
Just my opinion.
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Robin, the powerless little lamo, and the Wonder Twins were ridiculous too.
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Mr. Fantastic (actually the Fantastic Four but the Thing is kind of cool), Superman, Cyclops, Captain America, Wonder Woman,.... well something like that I guess
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Mr. Fantastic:
Well he is just annoying and his powers are lame, and I don't like the whole concept of the FF anyway.
Superman:
I think his stories are boring, even though I only read from the intergalactical court thing to the end of Superman Blue/Red
And I think he is just to powerful and I don't understand why he is so powerful and has this boy scout attitude which I don't like too much
Cyclops:
I think he is a bit like Superman with his niceness and I mean Logan doesn't like him so that proves that I am right. You wouldn't want to call Wolverine a liar, would you?
Captain America:
Again he is to boy scout, of course he is a soldier but in kind of a stupid way I think, I like the more realistic Heroes except for cyclops I guess.
But I have to say that the Ultimate Cap is cool, when he beat up Pym was just cool, and I think his "This A doesn't stand for France" was one of the funniest things I ever read in a comic book.
Wonder Woman:
Hmm I guess I don't want to discriminate against women.
No its more that she is one of thisDC Mega heroes and she is just not cool, Its not her powers, I love Donna Troy, but everytime she appears I just think the level of greatness in a comic just dropped a lot
And I don't hate them I just won't read any comic book with them alone in it. Anymore.
Just playing devil's advocate. I'm not excited for Wolverine (nor Bendis for that matter) to be on Avengers, unless they pull him out of the entire X-universe, but they won't, because being on 4 teams at the same time makes sense. Anyways.
The Avenger have included in their roster several not so squeaky clean people.
Former terrorists (Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch).
The living embodiment of property damage (Hulk),
Former criminals/mercenaries (Hawkeye, Swordsman, Sand Man, Moon Knight, Black Widow, Wonder Man, Ant Man II)
Murderers (Jim Hammond, USAgent, Captain America, and I'm assuming as a legendary space soldier Mar-Vell took a life or two at one point, as well as Thor, Hercules and Gilgamesh most likely, and perhaps Dane Whitman as he did go back in time and serve through the crusades in medieval Europe)
Pimps and drug dealers (Falcon, as horrible as his pimp retcon was)
Prostitutes (Mantis)
Really mean snooty bitches (Moondragon)
And other members who have morally ambiguous pasts, i.e. Triathalon getting kicked out of the olympics because of steroids, Stark being a weapons designer. Heck, any given line up could have members with more legal trouble than some of the Thunderbolts.
And one of their associates also happens to be the SON OF SATAN, who's not a very nice guy anymore, although to be fair at the time of their association he was a real nice chap.
But again, I do see where Wolverine being an Avengers isn't exactly a fun time. I think the Avengers should have a few new by-laws, such as no redundant members (2 enhanced street level fighters--Cap and Wolverine, now in a sticky situation where Cap would have been taken out before, but other Avengers surviving because of various reasons, you'll have 2 characters taken out by the same threat) That's just my idea though.
In answer to the "devil's advocate" quoting me (I get no respect. Where's my by-line?), here's my response:
I referred to the Avengers as squeaky clean only because they have government funding and are sanctioned by the United Nations (or were up until Bendis showed up). As for the rest of your statement:
1) Quicksilver and the Scarlett Witch were reformed and pardoned for their previous terrorist activities. It was determined that Magneto, their father, had brainwashed them from childhood.
2) Hulk got kicked out and removed from the original by-laws founding agreement. Essentially, his membership was erased.
3) Reformed, reformed, reformed. Everyone deserves a second chance (Cap has been drilling that into the other Avengers' heads ever since he joined up in Avengers #4).
4) Murderers? They were SOLDIERS. 'Nuff said.
5) The Falcon is also reformed, and spent plenty of time as Cap's partner and probably closest friend. More than made up for his previous life of petty crime.
6) Ain't nuthin' wrong with that, baby!
7) Yeah, but the bald head is sexy.
I agree that Cap and Wolverine's fighting abilities kind of overlap a bit, but my problem with him is every writer who writes Wolverine tends to overshadow the other characters with him. The Avengers is about the whole team, with story arcs jumping back and forth through all of the characters. I just think this dynamic is going to get messed up with such a strong fan favorite as Wolverine on board the team.
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As I said, I was playing the unwilling skeptic just for kicks. Many of the rougher characters are my favorites. When Lang was killed, I was spun into a dimension of pissed off you can't imagine, the gritty Falcon is the reason I buy Cap and Falcon along with Quicksilver and Moon Knight being favorites of mine. And seeing Moondragon get completely owned by the Magus was sweet in Captain Marvel. He made her cry and put her in her place.
New Avengers is designed to be a who's who, plus Bendis' pet characters. With Spider-Man on the team as well, perhaps the two hugely popular characters will negate each other out in terms of spotlight stealing, providing a chance for regular ol' good team stories to be told. Or it's just going to be a massive crap pile. Depending on if the first arc goes anywhere, I may reinvest my money else where.
I just thought everyone should imagine this post being read in an Arnold (insert last name, we all know it, I just cant spell it) voice, since the poster has an arnold avatar and its funny. Although I do think the guys an idiot.
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