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Onslaught had Zero physical feats to shout about to call him a physical power house.


Onslaught beat Cain into a physical mess. That is a feat. When asked who did this to him what did he say? Exactly.


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Onslaught beat Cain into a physical mess. That is a feat. When asked who did this to him what did he say? Exactly.
Onslaught threw he using his psionic powers, he didnt do it physically..its even confirmed in Onslaughts bio.

So again what actual physical feats does Onslaught have.


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Onslaught threw he using his psionic powers, he didnt do it physically..its even confirmed in Onslaughts bio.

So again what actual physical feats does Onslaught have.



Show me this bio. Prove that Kurse was stronger than the Mindless Hulk at the height of his strength, prove that Kurse could stop him. Prove that Kurse was layed out by universe shattering force, when not only did the blast not destroy a city, but it did not obliterate Power Pack.


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Show me this bio. Prove that Kurse was stronger than the Mindless Hulk at the height of his strength, prove that Kurse could stop him. Prove that Kurse was layed out by universe shattering force, when not only did the blast not destroy a city, but it did not obliterate Power Pack.
Go buy the handbook its in, it been posted on here several times before or search the respect thread on herochat.

His fight against Thor/Bill proves that against two legit class 100's as opposed to Onslaught zero physiacl showings.

He stops him by beating the shit out of him before he gets to strong etc, as Kurse starts out way stronger.

Who said anything about universe shattering force? Hulk was ko'd by Onslaught armor exploding laughing out loud


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Hulk is stronger than Thanos get over it smile
That's a lie and proof you are really emotionally invested in this. Kurse wins though.


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Go buy the handbook its in, it been posted on here several times before or search the respect thread on herochat.

His fight against Thor/Bill proves that against two legit class 100's as opposed to Onslaught zero physiacl showings.

He stops him by beating the shit out of him before he gets to strong etc, as Kurse starts out way stronger.

Who said anything about universe shattering force? Hulk was ko'd by Onslaught armor exploding laughing out loud



Do you know how strong the Mindless Hulk was at the height of his strength. How does any of this prove that Kurse would be able to KO the Mindless Hulk?

Never been to Herochat, never will.

Speculation and opinion is all you have. The idea earlier was that the Hulk would not be able to hurt Kurse because of his assumed ability to tank any physical force. I showed in vivid clarity that this is not true.

The fact is that the Mindless Hulk would not be able to be put down for long, and every time Kurse would put him down he would just get back up stronger, and angrier than the last time, and eventually beat the shit out of him. The mindless Hulk was just written to be that resilient. Where do you think that DC came up with DOS Doomsday from?


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Do you know how strong the Mindless Hulk was at the height of his strength. How does any of this prove that Kurse would be able to KO the Mindless Hulk?

Never been to Herochat, never will.

Speculation and opinion is all you have. The idea earlier was that the Hulk would not be able to hurt Kurse because of his assumed ability to tank any physical force. I showed in vivid clarity that this is not true.

The fact is that the Mindless Hulk would not be able to be put down, and every time Kurse would put him down he would just get back up stronger, and angrier than the last time, and eventually beat the shit out of him. The mindless Hulk was just written to be that resilient. Where do you think that DC came up with DOS Doomsday from?
I knew i was wasting my time with you when you tried to pass off Thor/Bills double energy shot as a physical hits like Hulks punch.

This entire post just proves it.


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I knew i was wasting my time with you when you tried to pass off Thor/Bills double energy shot as a physical hits like Hulks punch.

This entire post just proves it.



Did you know that energy has physical effects? Kinetic energy is physical. Quantify the blast yield genius, you won't be able to, but what you can quantify was that the blast was unable to destroy a city block yet alone a universe. So stop wasting time and concede.


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Did you know that energy has physical effects? Kinetic energy is physical. Quantify the blast yield genius, you won't be able to, but what you can quantify was that the blast was unable to destroy a city block yet alone a universe. So stop wasting time and concede.
You talk horeshit, when i tried to use Thanos tanking a gas gaint exploding where the effect was felt light years away as blunt force durability showing you cried like a b*tch claiming energy isnt the same a physical...but now it is laughing out loud .

I feel sorry for good Hulk poster like Gundam with bias lying Hulk fanboys like you.


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You talk horeshit, when i tried to use Thanos tanking a gas gaint exploding where the effect was felt light years away as blunt force durability showing you cried like a b*tch claiming energy isnt the same a physical...but now it is laughing out loud .

I feel sorry for good Hulk poster like Gundam with bias lying Hulk fanboys like you.


So instead of proving anything, you resort to type with the little giggly blue lol face, and a petty attempt at a low blow. How did Thanos get into this conversation, oh I get it, it's your famous strawman routine. Concession accepted.


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So instead of proving anything, you resort to type with the little giggly blue lol face, and a petty attempt at a low blow. How did Thanos get into this conversation, oh I get it, it's your famous strawman routine. Concession accepted.
It was the easiest way to show your double standards you always use.

Simple facts your main argument of Thor/Bills energy shot being physical holds no grounds at all as a comparison to Hulks punches.

Kurse win.


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It was the easiest way to show your double standards you always use.

Simple facts your main argument of Thor/Bills energy shot being physical holds no grounds at all as a comparison to Hulks punches.

Kurse win.



Well actually it showed the outer limits of what Kurse could take in terms of physical abuse, and it was less than the yield that the Mindless Hulk was capable of. Just remember that it was stated in this thread that Kurse was unable to be hurt physically, and energy has physical effects. Just go and ask all of the people dying of skin cancer. I'm sure that you can figure it out, Kurse is not immune to damage.

Hulk wins.


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lmao at this thread


kurse owns...better feats, and iirc onslaught WANTED his physical form destroyed


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Better feats? You do know how long the Hulk has been around right? Savage Hulk destroyed an asteroid larger than the Earth, and the Mindless Hulk was written to be superior to Savage Hulk. Now I know that recently there has been a lot of planet destroying going around, but do you have any idea how much an asteroid twice the size of Earth weighs? Yet Kurse has better feats? Kurse has a handful of feats. What do you even base your opinion on? What poor showing did the Mindless Hulk have for you to even make a claim like this? Do you even know how the Mindless Hulk was stopped?


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1. Plot Induced Stupidity has always existed, and if it didn't, battles between guys like Batman vs Superman would be over before they began. Do you get that or should I make more of an example of your silly statement?

2. This statement would be true if it were another character that we were speaking of, however this is the Hulk (Banner) that we are speaking of, and as such before you begin spouting, you first need to understand the character that you are arguing against. Banner is different as explained throughout his history.

Banner has psychological issues that he battles against. These issues have fragmented his psyche into a series of what would be called epistemological dichotomies, meaning that he has a lot swimming around in his head, and the main reason that the Hulk can tap into a well of limitless power.

Shit as we speak, one of his personalities has freed itself from his mind and is running around freely. The She Hulk, and other Hulk's can not do this. So yes he can continue to get more excited, and continue to grow in power. You're the person that brought up what went on in comics, so let's dig deeper. Let's go by what a comic on panel said about the Hulk.

The Beyonder said that the Hulk was an infinite power, the Hulk's bio concerning his power set says that the more excitable the Hulk becomes the stronger he becomes, in fact there is no comic that was made concerning the Hulk that says anything other than just that. You may not like it, but those are his powers. Kurse has a limit, the Hulk does not.

3. Actually the Hulk is saturated with solar energy, so you need to check your facts about the Hulk, because in this case you are wrong once again, and I am right. There has been several times that the Hulk has been see leaking energy, and yes technically speaking kinetic energy is energy. Kurse is also not immune to physical damage, he is highly resistant to it. The Juggernaut has better durability feats than Kurse, and even he has been hurt. As I stated before, the Hulk has broken through dimensional barriers that were said on panel to be impenetrable. Is Kurse's durability greater than the stuff that bind dimension shut? Doubtful.

4. The blast that hit Kurse was not on the level that it would take to destroy a planet, yet alone a universe, take your advice and don't be ridiculous. If the blast was that great the Power Pack as well as the entire city would have been obliterated. Obviously Kurse is not as durable as you claim.

5. Thor is at base as strong as the Hulk, but he does not and can not keep up with the Hulk for long periods of time, which is why when they sat there in a test of strength that last over 1 hour is considered PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) because the writer did not include the way that the Hulk's power works, I hope that I don't have to explain this to you again. It really doesn't matter how tired and fed up you are with how the Hulk's power works, he was created to operate under those rules, not yours or mine. Kurse was written to be 4x Thor in strength alone, and this is a finite number, it's a large number but still finite. The Hulk is an infinite power, which as I mentioned before was stated on panel by the same guy that gave Kurse his upgrade.
Thor can not match the Hulk's strength for long periods of time, but he has things that he brings to a fight that Kurse simply does not possess, and never will.



more example of what? Lol you didnt bring ANY example, i asked you to show me feats of hulk getting angrier and madder thruought the fight anf by that increasing his strength like you claim he can, why cant you bring that simple statement a proof? i mean if the hulk opirates that way you shouldnt have any problem right? the only silly and dare i say stupid thing here is the fact i asked you 3 times for something which you cant show me so now go and fetch what i told you to or zip it... do i need to explain it simplier for you?

what the hell does it have to do with banner? i asked you to present on pannel proof to your statement right? so do it

now you are arguing against facts? its a fact that kurse isimune to physical damage its within his power set, it was stated by narration, more importently it was stated by thor as a reason he wasnt able to brawl against him with his fists in the first place, so now you go up against that with a simple claim you pulled out of your a$$ saying its not true? as i said before are you trying to not make any sense or purpose?

should i care if the hulk got gamma energy inside of him? should ic are if the hulk was leaking energy? the only thing discussed here is the fact hulk punches doesnt have to energy projection and the fact he doesnt shoot energy, his punches has after shock kinetic energy like every other puncher in comics because thats the way physicas work, but as i said again the after shock energy is released after the blunt force punch and if it is absorbed then its all mute, also as i said even if you wana do the energy debate prove his after shock energy is at least = mjolnir+stormbreaker and if you really tro to argue that i will laugh in your face straight up.

wow you are a hypocrite arent you? first you are crying me rivers that writers are not doing their job by portraying things right, and then you say the blast wasnt powerful because it didnt destroy a city? really? art strawing? thats already the art factor which means the artist didnt want to portray destruction and oblitirate an entire city or even the freakin earth, how many times did we see odin fight and no collestral damage? why wasnt zeus destroying everything around when handing hulk his green a$$? dont be a strawman and straw on art, there are facts and the facts are both mjolnir and stormbreaker were combined which means neither alone was enough to stop him, use the context instead of the pictures kido.

feats say otherwise, feats show us thor going toe 2 toe with hulk for hours , trying to argue against feats again i see? not doing good for you, prove its PIS by presenting hulk fights where he was increasing his strength during the fight and became stronger and stronger by getting madder and madder otherwise you are just trolling with lies and twisting the already existing feats.

i know very well the way hulk's powers work and i know potentially the madder he gets the stronger he gets, however my point which you seem to not be able grasping is that he cant just increase his rage during the fight at will rage has limits, and i asked you to present an on panel proof of him doing so which you failed to do and now you are trying to avoid it by hiding behind walls of text and trying to make me forget about that by stating it as a fact, but it wont work so as i said again hulk CAN NOT increase his anger to different scales duringa fight therefor heCAN NOT cat infinity strong during a fight, if that was really the case hulk wouldnever lose a fight unless he is overpowered from the get go, you are trying to present abilities he doesnt posses.

ABC Logic involving onslaught? you can do better than that, as i said before kurse is x4 stronger than thor and its all he needs in order to KO hulk as the fight starts or simply breaking his neck and hos bones, what feats does mindless hulk has anyway? physically breaking onslaught armor? and later he got knocked out by the armor exploding which guess what? now i will use your own argument and say that explotion didnt destroy a planet it didnt destroy anything therefor something that cant even destroy a planet knocked the hulk out and Kurse has a planet destroying power within hispunches easily stick out tongue

as i said before hulk doesnt have any energy projection nor does he use energy, all you do since the beginning of this debate is trying to give hulk abilitieshe doesnt posses which is sad actually because by doing that you admit that the real hulk is a chump and cant do much unless you add him imaginary powerset.

kurse doesnt need to increase his strength to beat hulk he is already stronger.

kurse is imune to physical harm thats the ultimate durability he needs vs 1 dimensional brick like hulk

hulk DOES NOT have energy projection thatsa straight up lyingunless you want to present him shooting energy out of his green a$$, and if you are reffering to kinetic energy aftershocks then everyone have those but again thats only a physical punch leaving an aftershock it doesnt count as energy projection on its own.

the hulk can see the unseen? mindless hulk can see the unseen? really? not you are making him useless powers? oh my bad its actually a useful one since seeing the unseen will allow him to see he is about to get his butt kicked and avoid kurse

hulk is the 1 dimension character since all he can do is just hulk smash at least kurse got physical immunity laughing

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A weaker version of Onslaught owned Juggernaut TWICE physically. He did it once when he knocked him across the planet and he did it again when he grabbed Juggernaut and held him in his hand (juggernaut couldnt move) and snatched the gem out of his chest.

I don't know why SOMEONE is bringing up Onslaught using psychic abilities against Juggernaut because it was mentioned on panel that a more powerful Onslaught was doing the same thing in his fight against hulk and it didn't work.


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Hulk delivering punches that Earth heros are struggling to even walk through...the shockwaves alone are sending people flying. Even high class 100 are straining to advance towards the fight due to Hulks punching power.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/...laught1b6nt.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/...laught1c7fw.jpg

With their physical might, the air rages with atomic thunder...for miles Windows break..earthquakes.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/...laught1d0lm.jpg


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A weaker version of Onslaught owned Juggernaut TWICE physically. He did it once when he knocked him across the planet and he did it again when he grabbed Juggernaut and held him in his hand (juggernaut couldnt move) and snatched the gem out of his chest.

I don't know why SOMEONE is bringing up Onslaught using psychic abilities against Juggernaut because it was mentioned on panel that a more powerful Onslaught was doing the same thing in his fight against hulk and it didn't work.


u do realize that was pis dont you?


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u do realize that was pis dont you?


Two Times is a charm to me and Onslaught tapped that a** twice. It can't get any clearer imo.


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