I was going to, and to add a note. I quoted it by accident, instead of editing it- and I pressed 'Submit Reply'. When I said double post, I meant I had litterally posted the same thing twice.
But, the Pheonix Force is not from her. It isn't hers.
If a lifeform develops a "trigger finger", which allows it to use a machine gun that was left on it's planet, that doesn't mean that the lifeform has the mutant power of the machine gun.
Mad Jim Jaspers or the Phoenix. Although Jaspers has been more of a threat by feats/time. Wanda was basically retconned into a modern weaker Jaspers. Franklin Richards has frankly never impressed me despite how often he's purported to be incredibly powerful. The rest are nothing special.
I'm curious though; Jaspers is powerless in unspace (outside of reality). However there's nothing to indicate that Jean Grey has power in this region outside of reality. The WHR isn't really outside of reality. The M'Kraan Crystal isn't really outside of reality. Where exactly is Jean taking him, and how does one assume she's actually powered there?
Valiant effort Mr M. Allow me to put right the falsities you present and would love for everyone to subscribe to
For a start, Jim Jaspers did not ever create his own universe. He warped the reality of one. Thats completely different. Its merely twisting the ambient perception of reality to coincide with his own vision, just like Wanda did however on a bigger scale. Reality warpers depend on reality, they are not creators, they are manipulators. Take them outside of it and they are completely powerless.
Spouting on about the SPECULATED POTENTIAL damage Jim Jaspers could have done is irrelevant when he was stopped dead in his tracks by the Fury.
Speculation doesnt equate to an on panel feat. Both Jaspers warped the reality of a universe and it was said they could threaten the rest of creation if their power was allowed to spiral out of control without being confronted. Not good enough.
As for your attempt to demote the M'kraan crystal feat your argument is incrediby poor and illogical as ever.
Jean absorbed the life forces of just Storm and Corsair and she used them to bind herself to reality so she could better apply her power. The rest of the X-men gave her spiritual help, i.e moral support and encouragement as she went about performing the feat.
The X-men present were Colossus, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops and Banshee.
If you want to try and argue the X-men gave anything but spiritual help then go ahead and make a fool of yourself, but tell me, even if they did give her their power do any of that time have cosmic level power? Do any of that team even have global level power? Given the multiversal power of the crystal, just how significant do you think the X-mens power contribution would be?
Even by your laughable interpretation, Phoenix still would have done 99% of the work, the X-men would have barely registered on the power scales.
My interpretation says Storm and Corsair gave their souls so she could bind herself to the physical plane, the rest of the X-men (Banshee, Cyclops and Colossus) were their in spirit (as the comic states) and provided support and encouragement.
On top of that the restraints on the crystal were breaking away by the second. The crystal was blinking reality in and out of existence as a result. Phoenix re-energised this lattice before knitting it back together. So my previous statement pertaining to Jean containing the power of the crystal was very much correct.
The Phoenix Force itself exists simulatneously outside of time and space as well as being one with it. Jeans power comes from her connection to the Force, it does not stem from reality like Jaspers, therefore theres no reason why she would be powerless outside of it.
The M'kraan crystal itself isnt outside of reality, but it is the access point to the white hot room which is.
Nate Grey Shaman version and Cable at his top was pretty powerful. Even Prof X was impressed.
And also Wanda the Scarlet Witch...
Also Polaris is among the top members
And I agree on Franklin Richards being powerful too...
But if we talk about which mutant uses his/her powers the best :
Well I don't know if id consider her a real 'mutant'. From how I understand it she is connected to the power force of creation itself. Jean has become what everyone on Earth will become someday. Nobody else except her sister is anywhere near her level. Humans by themselves that were birthed with there own powers, they are regular mutants, Frank being in that category is very impressive. And who is Jaspers?
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Oct 25th, 2006 04:30 AM
Do any of that team even have global level power? 
