Bentley
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I was addressing the destroying the universe thing.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:00 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers wouldn't allow Mxy to destroy the Universe he's in.
Just like the Nullifier was unable to do so.
That's your assumption.
But is it 100% factual?
Not really, it's just your opinion.
If we look at what both characters have actually done, Mxy is far superior, No?
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:02 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bentley
I already answered that three times, do you dislike my answer or you just don't want to believe there is good answer to that one?
Edit: Master's answer is better though.
Me?
If so, the reason I asked Mr M, is because I didn't feel as though the answer you gave was based on anything but your own opinion.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:06 PM
Bentley
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Gender: Unspecified Location: France
Look, by feats Myx looks stronger, but showings are not the only thing to take in account here, we know a lot about Jaspers powers compared to what we know about Myx's. Even the erasing the universe feat is sketchy "did he erase the universe? Was Michael there? Does Myx beats god's power?"
Regarding your answer to the Master, what you stated is nothing but your opinion, Mr. M is backing himself with books.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:13 PM
Mr Master
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Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
That's your assumption.
It's your assumption that it's mine.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
But is it 100% factual?
Not really, it's just your opinion.
Actually it's 150% FACT!
Merlin says,
"I stretched your sanity to the breaking point to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy" (the Omniversal Tribune Erased 238)
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Merlin says about Cap. Britain,
"I sent you to a lesser menace (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"
Merlin says,
"You cannot fail, this version of Japers is too powerful, too dangerous"
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They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers,
but 616 Jaspers is,
"NOT so easily contained , and if he's not stopped, the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"
"NOT so easily contained"
How was 238 Jaspers "contained"
The Dimensional Development Court or Omniversal Tribune,
up the 238 Universe, and apparently that's NOT going to work again.
WHY?
Because Jaspers 616 won't allow it, what other reason can there be?
IF they COULD Nullify the Universe around him, they WOULD, making him vulnerable for attack,
but they CAN'T.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
If we look at what both characters have actually done, Mxy is far superior, No?
No.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:15 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bentley
Look, by feats Myx looks stronger, but showings are not the only thing to take in account here, we know a lot about Jaspers powers compared to what we know about Myx's. Even the erasing the universe feat is sketchy
How is it sketchy at all? Mxy erased Multiverses on Panel.
There's nothing sketchy about that.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bentley
"did he erase the universe? Was Michael there? Does Myx beats god's power?"
Michael doesn't dwell in the mainstream DCU.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bentley
Regarding your answer to the Master, what you stated is nothing but your opinion, Mr. M is backing himself with books.
Name one thing I have stated that was simply my opinion, and not backed by proof. I'd bet you cannot name one thing
Mxy actually destroyed Multiverses on panel.
Jaspers warped a Universe in his image, and he had the potential to be a much greater threat.
But potential to do something, isn't the equivelent of a feat.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:18 PM
Utrigita
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Gender: Male Location: Roaming the Universe
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bentley
Look, by feats Myx looks stronger, but showings are not the only thing to take in account here, we know a lot about Jaspers powers compared to what we know about Myx's. Even the erasing the universe feat is sketchy "did he erase the universe? Was Michael there? Does Myx beats god's power?"
Regarding your answer to the Master, what you stated is nothing but your opinion, Mr. M is backing himself with books.
Hey Bently we all all stating oure openions thats the idea with this forum. Some uses scans to make a point and someones doesn't thats the way it sometimes work.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:19 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
It's your assumption that it's mine.
Actually it's 150% FACT!
Merlin says,
"I stretched your sanity to the breaking point to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy" (the Omniversal Tribune Erased 238)
(please log in to view the image)
Merlin says about Cap. Britain,
"I sent you to a lesser menace (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"
Merlin says,
"You cannot fail, this version of Japers is too powerful, too dangerous"
(please log in to view the image)
They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers,
but 616 Jaspers is,
"NOT so easily contained , and if he's not stopped, the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"
"NOT so easily contained"
How was 238 Jaspers "contained"
The Dimensional Development Court or Omniversal Tribune,
up the 238 Universe, and apparently that's NOT going to work again.
WHY?
Because Jaspers 616 won't allow it, what other reason can there be?
IF they COULD Nullify the Universe around him, they WOULD, making him vulnerable for attack,
but they CAN'T.
No. You know very well, Jaspers only warped a single Universe in the end, and nothing more... What Jaspers had the potential to do is a non-factor, as he never actually did anything to that level ON PANEL.
Mxy destroyed/warped Multiverses.
Mxy's panel feats > Jaspers panel feats
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:20 PM
Mr Master
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Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Mxy actually destroyed Multiverses on panel.
No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes, (a Multiverse)
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The Phantom Zone
The 5th Dimension and Apokolips.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Jaspers warped a Universe in his image, and he had the potential to be a much greater threat.
But potential to do something, isn't the equivelent of a feat.
If this is Jaspers "at his most powerful" ...then that would be Full potential.
FP Jaspers = Omniverse.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:22 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes, (a Multiverse)
(please log in to view the image)
The Phantom Zone
The 5th Dimension and Apokolips. + the Elseworld's Multiverse
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
If this is Jaspers "at his most powerful" ...then that would be Full potential.
FP Jaspers = Omniverse.
What Jaspers might have been able to actually accomplish at that point is purely speculation on anyone's part.
Because that potential was never realized, and there are no feats to back it up.
Again, lets take what both characters have actually done on pannel.
Mxy destroyed Multiverses.
Jaspers warped 1 Universe.
Mxy's panel feats > Jaspers panel feats.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:26 PM
Mr Master
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Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
You know very well, Jaspers only warped a single Universe in the end, and nothing more... What Jaspers had the potential to do is a non-factor, as he never actually did anything to that level ON PANEL.
You completely ignored my post and what I was addressing.
You said it was my assumption, that Jaspers would NOT ALLOW his Universe to get erased,
I proved I was right, and you jumped somewhere else.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Mxy destroyed/warped Multiverses.
Mxy's panel feats > Jaspers panel feats
Means nothing, Mxy CAN'T destroy the Universe Jaspers is in, and so can't hurt Jaspers.
Jaspers powers will continue to grow Exponentially (expands Faster by the second) until he reaches an Omniversal scale, then stalemate for ever.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:27 PM
Mr Master
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Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
+ the Elseworld's Multiverse
Where is the Elseworld's Multiverse mentioned?
I have the issue, show me the page.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
What might have been able to actually accomplish at that point is purely speculation on anyone's part.
Because that potential was never realized, and there are no feats to back it up.
Actually but it was realized, Cobweb saw the Future, and Jaspers had Warped every Universe.
Merlyn is the Omniversal Guardian dude, he was playing Chess with a Multiverse,
if he say's Jaspers WOULD reach that scale, then it's fact.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Again, lets take what both characters have actually done on pannel.
Mxy destroyed Multiverses.
Jaspers warped 1 Universe.
Mxy's panel feats > Jaspers panel feats.
So again,
how is Mxy going to hurt Jaspers?
Since he can't destroy the Reality Jaspers is in,
How?
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:31 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
You completely ignored my post and what I was addressing.
You said it was my assumption, that Jaspers would NOT ALLOW his Universe to get erased,
I proved I was right, and you jumped somewhere else.
Means nothing, Mxy CAN'T destroy the Universe Jaspers is in, and so can't hurt Jaspers.
Jaspers powers will continue to grow Exponentially (expands Faster by the second) until he reaches an Omniversal scale, then stalemate for ever.
So what happens when Mxy destroys the Multiverse they are both in?
I never saw Jaspers survive Multiversal destruction, did you?
Even if Jaspers survived, what's left for him to warp?
Nothing.
Unless you're trying to say that Jaspers can just jump into another Multiverse on a whim, (something else he never actually did).
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:31 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Where is the Elseworld's Multiverse mentioned?
I have the issue, show me the page.
Mxy clearly wiped out Elseworld's when he jumped into that realm.
In fact, the instance I'm talking about precedes, the scan you already posted, where there is no longer ANYTHING left.
If the Elseworlds Multiverse still remained, there would have still been something left, but there clearly was not.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually but it was realized, Cobweb saw the Future, and Jaspers had Warped every Universe.
Merlyn is the Omniversal Guardian dude, he was playing Chess with a Multiverse,
if he say's Jaspers WOULD reach that scale, then it's fact.
Show me a feat Jaspers had at his "full potential".
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
So again,
how is Mxy going to hurt Jaspers?
Since he can't destroy the Reality Jaspers is in,
How? Once Mxy wipes out the Multiverse they are in, what's Jaspers going to warp?
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:35 PM
Mr Master
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Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
So what happens when Mxy destroys the Multiverse they are both in?
I never saw Jaspers survive Multiversal destruction, did you?
Nullification is nullification, the Universe and the Multiverse are just different scales, if you can't take out his ONE Universe, then you can't no matter how much OTHER Real Estate you wipe out in the Multiverse.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Even if Jaspers survived, what's left for him to warp?
The Universe he's in.
So you're still stuck on that I see,
I just PROVED that you cannot Nullify the Universe Jaspers is in.
If you come back with this same defense,
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Unless you're trying to say that Jaspers can just jump into another Multiverse on a whim, (something else he never actually did).
Inconsequential,
since Mxy can't erase the Universe Jaspers is in.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:36 PM
Bentley
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Gender: Unspecified Location: France
"Not really, it's just your opinion. erm"
That line was just your opinion, he had back up, yet you assumed he was misplaced.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:36 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Nullification is nullification, the Universe and the Multiverse are just different scales, if you can't take out his ONE Universe, then you can't no matter how much OTHER Real Estate you wipe out in the Multiverse.
The Universe he's in.
So you're still stuck on that I see,
I just PROVED that you cannot Nullify the Universe Jaspers is in.
If you come back with this same defense,
Inconsequential,
since Mxy can't erase the Universe Jaspers is in. All that was proven is that 616 Jaspers can survive UNIVERSAL Nullification.
It never said he could survive MULTIVERSAL Nullification.
Nor did it say that they would not be able to destroy Jasper's Universe, they just said destroying the Universe wouldn't contain him.
So again, Mxy wipes out the Multiverse they are both in, and what's left for Jaspers to warp?
Please prove to me how Mxy would be incapable of destroying the Multiverse Jaspers was in.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:40 PM
Mr Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Mxy clearly wiped out Elseworld's when he jumped into that realm.
In fact, the instance in talking about precedes, the scan you already posted, where there is no longer ANYTHING left.
If the Elseworlds Multiverse still remained, there would have still been something left, but there clearly was not.
Whatever you say,
Never read the Elseworlds Multiverse on any page,
I did read,
"No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes"
(a Multiverse)
On the page your talking about,
"I have had it up to here with these Alternate Universes and Divergent Futures and Parallel Dimensions ... I mean isn't ONE stupid Reality confusing enough?"
(please log in to view the image)
"I'm sick of popping in and out of ALL these idiotic, puny-verses ... I've got terrible Dimension-Lag"
(Alternate Universes and Divergent Futures and Parallel Dimensions)
ALL pertain to ONE Multiverse.
The 616 Multiverse has Alternate Universes = they look the same as 616 with Different Histories.
The 616 Multiverse has Parallel Universe = they look the same as 616 and are exactly the same until it Diverges at some point and changes it's History from 616's.
The 616 Multiverse has Divergent Futures, Futures that COULD've taken place but never did.
Like Galactus in the Celestial Arc, or Jean in "Here Comes Tomorrow" ..
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Show me a feat Jaspers had at his "full potential".
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This isn't even Full.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Once Mxy wipes out the Multiverse they are in, what's Jaspers going to warp?
The Universe that he's in, and still remains.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:46 PM
Mr Master
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Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
All that was proven is that 616 Jaspers can survive UNIVERSAL Nullification.
It never said he could survive MULTIVERSAL Nullification.
Again,
Nullification is nullification,
Multiverse and Universe are just different scales.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Nor did it say that they would not be able to destroy Jasper's Universe, they just said destroying the Universe wouldn't contain him.
And what do you think that means?
If they could destroy Jaspers' Universe they would have, leaving him vulnerable without Reality to Warp.
Come on, how are you arguing this?
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
So again, Mxy wipes out the Multiverse they are both in, and what's left for Jaspers to warp?
The Universe Mxy would NOT be able to erase, due to Jaspers.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Please prove to me how Mxy would be incapable of destroying the Multiverse Jaspers was in.
Already did, by On Panel proof that took place in Marvel
I can't show it literally, they're in separate companies.
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:51 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
Whatever you say,
Never read the Elseworlds Multiverse on any page,
I did read,
"No more Infinite Earths, no more Alternate Universes"
(a Multiverse)
On the page your talking about,
"I have had it up to here with these Alternate Universes and Divergent Futures and Parallel Dimensions ... I mean isn't ONE stupid Reality confusing enough?"
(please log in to view the image)
"I'm sick of popping in and out of ALL these idiotic, puny-verses ... I've got terrible Dimension-Lag"
(Alternate Universes and Divergent Futures and Parallel Dimensions)
ALL pertain to ONE Multiverse.
The 616 Multiverse has Alternate Universes = they look the same as 616 with Different Histories.
The 616 Multiverse has Parallel Universe = they look the same as 616 and are exactly the same until it Diverges at some point and changes it's History from 616's.
The 616 Multiverse has Divergent Futures, Futures that COULD've taken place but never did.
Like Galactus in the Celestial Arc, or Jean in "Here Comes Tomorrow" .. Elseworld's = a Multiverse in itself.
Mxy destroyed that as well.
That much isn't even a question.
quote: (post ) and that's a feat how?
That again just shows a potential he never realized.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
The Universe that he's in, and still remains.
Point out to me where it was said that Universal Nullification would NOT destroy Jasper's Universe.
All it said was that it wouldn't contain/kill him like his 238 counterpart.
Which to mean means that they could destroy that Universe, but jaspers would still remain, by hopping into another Universe or somesuch.
So what happens when Mxy destroys that entire Multiverse?
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Mar 20th, 2007 09:52 PM
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