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First off, All of the amazons bracelets can deflect bullets. Don't argue with me about wonder woman. you'll be the one who ends up losing. 2ndly, ONly Diana's Bracelets have the shield of Aegis. Superman could never, ever break the shield of Aegis. They can remember the events of the story, but that story also had wonder woman breaking her lasso. You do realize that if the actual lasso where to break, the laws of physics would reverse and the universe of truth would unravel. So you are really showing that you dont' know about WW. The story is NON cannon becuz it wasnt the real bracelets nor the real lasso. Thanks. You lose and continue to lose. As far as Caps shield, I haven't commented on his shield and it's history. Have I? So what double standard are you talking about? Thanks, Try again. Any magic wielder can crack his shield. No amount of magic is going to crack those bracelets. Not unless your the Spectre or Mr. Mxy.
Since when did Superman break her lasso in 'Absolute Power?' He only broke her neck with it. And the fact is, it was her lasso because she uses it for its truth-revealing abilities on Uncle Sam. Read it again. And you are absolutely using a double standard:
You want to use Odinforce > Cap's shield as evidence of its weakness.
You don't want to use Superman punches > WW's bracelets as evidence of its weakness.
That is a double standard. The same reasons you posit that Superman punches > WW's bracelets being non-canon because it never really happened/happened in a different timeline can be applied EXACTLY to Odinforce > Cap's shield. Thor used Odinforce on Cap's shield in an alternate future which Thor wiped away from existence.
And you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that those weren't the same WW bracelets, same as I have no proof that wasn't the same Cap shield. So check yourself and your temper nvrbeenwthagrl. Magic has done squat to Cap's shield. How many times has it been attacked by weapons like Mjolnir? You just don't like the fact that I'm calling you out on what is clearly a double standard. And then when its obvious its a double standard, then you go on to say it wasn't her real bracelets. That is ridiculous. It is clearly her magic lasso and her bracelets and you not liking Superman breaking her bracelets with punches is no argument. I didn't like that King Thor broke Cap's shield with Odinforce. You don't see me harping about some stupid theory when I have no evidence, "Oh. It must not have been his real shield."
WW's bracelets lose. This argument is simple. Your intuition is incorrect and your reasoning is flawed.
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I haven't said anything about the Odin force and Captain Shield. That is the first thing. 2ndly, Your using a non cannon story to try and give WW's bracelets some kind of Low showing when it NEVER happened. The bracelets of the main time line are still intact. WW's bracelets have deflected the combined attack of the Entire Greek pantheon. Caps shield would simply obliterate along with him under that kind of assult. your trying to put something that is only uber under normal physics against The uber magical weapons. WTF. DC themselves has said that WW's bracelets and Lasso are INDESTRUCTIBLE. Unless your the Spectre or Some high order abstract, your not breaking them. Superman has NEVER broken WW's bracelets in the main Time line. And in that story, WW broke her lasso if I remember correctly. Which would mean the entire story was pure pis as far as ww goes. When the lasso breaks, trush should unfold and the universe should go into chaos. LEt it sink it. I haven't said one word about Cap's shield and the Odin force. Which by rights should have broken it. It's silly to think that an earth bound shield made by human hands could stand up to the odin force. On the other hand, WW's bracelets are made from the shield of Aegis which was given to zeus by his wet nurse who got it from the Elder Goddess Geae. Thanks. WW's bracelets>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cap's shield. I also remember the Maestro Breaking caps shield as well. Broken by Pure force. But we know that isn't cannon either is it?
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And somehow that's supposed to be more powerful than a shield made to protect a skyfather? Like one of the most powerrful beings in the DC universe has a shield and Vibranium is supposed to somehow be better than that? Or Vibranium is somehow supposed to stand up to the Odin force? WTF.
Superman did not break Wonderwoman's lasso in 'Absolute Power.' I, for one, believe also that if he snapped her lasso, everything would go all to shit. Her bracelets do not share that attribute. Her bracelets' origins are no loftier than Thor's Mjolnir. So the godly origins do not particularly impress me. Especially since beings like Thor stand in awe of Cap's shield and have said so.
It's not silly to think that a human made weapon could withstand the Odinforce. The shield was created out of pure mistaken chance and only once. They've tried to replicate it and adamantium is the best they could come up with. When adamantium is a failed byproduct of trying to make the shield, you might get a better idea of how unique and special it is. And since when are human-made inventions belittled in comics? How many times have we seen Reed Richards or Lex Luthor or Dr. Doom create something that accomplished a feat that even the gods or cosmic beings couldn't do? This argument is particularly weak.
And by canon, the only things that have ever broken it are the Infinity Gauntlet and preretcon Beyonder's power. Nothing below that has even been able to make a dent in it. Surfer's blasts, Mjolnir shots, enraged Hulk, fully confident Gladiator, nuclear blasts, etc. At best, you can argue that Wonderwoman's bracelets are as durable as Cap's shield.
I don't remember Maestro ever breaking Cap's shield. I remember in 'Future Imperfect,' Maestro having a display case of all the heroes' items and Cap's shield is unbroken and whole. USAgent's vibranium shield is broken. Surfer's board is broken. Cap's shield is not. Indeed, I found a scan:
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If I'm not mistaken, that feat occurred before the scan I posted. The scan I posted occurred when magneto was teaching the New Mutants in the late eighties early nineties. Has Magneto ever encountered Cap's shield afterwards?
WW never broke her god damn lasso. You are mistaken. Superman used it to choke her only. Superman shattered her bracelets. Read it again. You should have the damn comic. And magic > physics has nothing to do with this conversation since nobody with magic has ever destroyed or dented or even messed around with the shield. The magic/physics comparison is especially fallacious since no scientist can even understand why the shield works the way it does. Molecule Man himself considered the shield to be even odder than Surfer's board and Thor's Mjolnir on the molecular level.
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I read that story. Diana did break that lasso. Her hair turned all white and she got old when she did it. Or am I mixing up stories. IN either case, The true Items never break. Period. Do you think Cap's shield can stand up to the power of the greek pantheon or the Omega Effect?
You're mixing up stories. What you describe is a little similar to what happened to Uncle Sam in 'Absolute Power.' In that same battle, Superman broke through Uncle Sam's GL ring construct. He fell, got all old and decrepit again when the GL ring he had was overloaded. So that might be why your stories are crossed up. Wonderwoman's hair never got white in 'Absolute Power' and her lasso was never broken. I'm pretty sure you're thinking about 'Red Son,' the Elseworlds story of Superman fighting for the USSR. Again, if her lasso broke, I agree things would go all apeshit. Grant Morrison established that in JLA and even though most people ignore it and no writer has ever made reference to it again, I believe her lasso is unbreakable. Her bracelets? Not the same. I'm 100% sure that Grant Morrison never wrote the same claim for her bracelets like he did for her lasso.
And yes, absolutely without hesitation, I believe Cap's shield would hold up to a blast by the Greek Pantheon and the Omega Effect. Those aren't even on par with the Infinity Gauntlet and pre-retcon Beyonder. As far as I'm concerned, the bracelets' godly magical source put it a bit over or on par with Thor's Mjolnir. Mjolnir has withstood those kinds of attacks but its durability is clearly below Cap's shield. And out of curiousity, didn't Zeus' original Aegis shield break? And WW's bracelets were formed out of the remnants? I'm starting to get my stories mixed up now, but if I'm right, then what does that say about the vaunted godly origins of her bracelets?
Again, if a magic user had ever turned Cap's shield to stone or changed it's color or anything of the sort, I could see magic being a weakness for Cap's shield. But nobody with magic has ever destroyed or dented or even messed around with the shield. No scientist can understand why the shield is the way it is and its properties are even more mysterious than Surfer's board and Mjolnir.
.......2 things which we *know* that can BREAK the shield.
all that would say is that the Aegis was hit by a force that was at the very least skyfather+, and repeatedly as I recall.
and going w/that, as I recall Caps shield was dented when hit by that more powerful Thor wasnt it?? it would seem to me that that would make them still about even really.....
The thing about his showdown with the Avengers where he was teaching the New Mutants is this:
He was severely holding back his energy output because if he went all out, his energy was going to kill Warlock, so he was trying his best to JUST put out enough power in order to hold them off. That might be the reason for it.
And yes, I'm pretty sure Magneto has done so in other cases.
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I'm not trying to take away the extreme durability of her bracelets. But I do take exception to the comparisons that because it is of godly origins, (not Godly), that it automatically takes a spot higher than Cap's shield. Indeed, the very origin of her bracelets involves the original source material, Zeus' Aegis shield, being shattered. Nobody seems to remember how.
King Thor didn't dent Cap's shield, he pretty much blew Cap's shield apart in the 'Reigning.' And apparently, for this debate, nvrbeenwthagrl has indirectly decided that it should not count since it happened in an alternate future that never occurred. I don't mind using it at all, since I could then use bloodlusted Superman's shattering of WW's bracelets from 'Absolute Power,' as definitive proof they are indeed weaker. But as I anticipated from my very first post in this thread, WW supporters do not want to go that far. And barring those instances, I can agree with you and concede that her bracelets are about on par with Cap's shield. I'd still like to know how the original Aegis shield was broken though.
Well, as you can see clearly from his own thought bubbles, he clearly states that his powers simply don't work on the shield. It had nothing to do with him holding back. He clearly states he cannot affect it at all because of its makeup, not because he couldn't bring enough power to bear on it. As to why there is such a variance between your previous earlier scan and this one; which is the most recent instance I can find, the only theory I have is that back when Cap was first with the Avengers, his shield had been broken and dented many times. But in a later Avengers issue, they explained that Iron Man would frequently borrow Cap's shield to study it and give him a replacement to use. And that replacement was the one that was breaking. Indeed, the editors had to figure out something when Cap's shield would break and in the next issue he'd have a new one without explanation. But until I see a more recent scan of someone like Polaris or Magneto working their magic on Cap's shield, I'm not ready to concede Magneto's powers work on it because of this very clear and definitive scan:
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