franklin didnt get a powerup when he turned into galactus. it was merely his childish mentality and innocence which made him galactus as LONG AS NO1 TOLD HIM HE WASNT. a lack of will so to speak. but it was all his own power. point being, franklin wins.
Had the Celestials known that was Franklin,
they would've destroyed him.
They literally allowed Franklin (who they thought was Galactus) to explode their containment armor.
Why?
Because they feared Galactus,
because,
in the Earth X Universe Galactus was created by Eternity to keep the Celestials in check.
In fact, the Celestials were literally incapable of killing Galactus.
This is why they only tried to stall him by punching him twice to then
immediately taking off, (or escaping intact rather)
but not before Franklin blasted 3 of them out of their casing.
i remember it being mentioned sumwhere that all of the celestials combined cudnt destroy the true form of ego the living planet. also, didnt invisible woman also kill a celestial by merely destroying its brain. celestials do not have universe destroying power, that is ridiculous. even galactus doesnt posess that power at will.
That didn't make sense. In Thor, numerous Celestials attacked Super Ego. No one knows if the Celestials were helping or destroying SE. It is known, SE was more insane from meeting the Celestials
U reference FF #400. That was terrible. Its been said Defalco cried like a baby because the Celestials punked Thor in Thor #300, so he had Sue 'kill' Exitar. If the rumors are correct, Exitar returns
IW apparently taps the exact energy which Celestials are weak to [ie. energy from Hyperspace itself]. Thus, while that event is still cool to look at - it, in all actuality, is really no more impressive than someone wearing a Kryptonite jump-suit, beating Superman.
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I don't think that they allowed themselves to be destroyed master nothing indicates that, that they could have destroyed him together that is given as Uatu said, however I see no proof of the Celestials allowing themselves to be destroyed.
The single random Celestial that Kubik and Kosmos encountered had the ability to destroy a universe.
Okay why should Galactus have any interest in destroying a universe? The living embodiment of the Universe he sees as his equal and Friend, each time the universe has been threated Galactus has stood up to defend it.
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I cant speak for Mr Master, but i think he meant .....by them thinking it was galactus, they acted differently, they thought they were fighting eternity's creation and he explained the rest, had they known it was franklin...he would have been beaten, but i dont think he would want me explaining his point so...thats what i got from it
Earth X's FR is an alien that shapeshifts depending on what others think of him, had the Celestials know he was Franklin and not Galactus they would have killed him. In the other hand, the Celestials know that to kill Galactus is to alter the balance of the universe so they wouldn't do it.
and that plot device bugged me. because cosmic cubes have a lot of awesome showings, even thanos admitted that the creator{a cosmic cube} had INFINITE power ill utilised, and he looked awe inspired when he said that{and that is saying sumthign from the guy wo held the infinite gauntlett and heart of the universe}. also, kubik etc have on panel showings, while the celestials have next to none. if anything, they have been defeated in silly ways more than once. also, even if they are workers or aspects of eternity, still, eternity is the embodiement of PART of the universe {along with infinit, death, master order, lord chaos and the phenix} why whud the multiple WORKERS of eternity each then posess universe destroying power??? i think it is silly. galactus has great respect for eternity and fears death who he knows will one day claim him. he isnt equal to eternity in power, it is only his purpose as guardian oft he balance between eternity and death that makes him a key figure{as abraxas is released if he dies} he is a KEY to great powerr, not the power itself. in my oppinion neither the celestials nor galactus can just straight out destroy a universe.
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True that.
Franklin tore them up with his own power,
but they were holding back for the sake of the Universe.
When I say they allowed him, I don't mean they helped him,
or opened themselves up for attack.
I mean they didn't go all out, they left the fight abruptly,
and as we know, they could've done more,
this is why it was stated had they known it was Franky, Franky would've died.
That's 100% correct, save the alien part,
that's actually humanity that's supposed to reach that shape-shifting stage.
I can agree to that, it's clear that the Galactus/Franklin would have lost if the entire host had gone all out as would Galactus from the 616 reality if he was restricted from the hyperspace drain, but again from my point of view Franklin still under his own power destroyed Three Celestials. It was just me misunderstanding the meaning of your post.
First of there is a great difference between the Cosmic cube beings and the Cosmic Containment units. They have next to one however in those showings they have they haven't in a single one manhandel unless they where up against far greater power the only really bad showing the Celestials out from the top of my memory has is against Sue Storm. They would posesses that power simply because they can, because one being hold the power to destroy a universe it doesn't mean that the being will use the power to destroy a universe. And yet LT takes notice of Galactus requests when he makes them and that is because of two things his power and his status among the Abstracts. That is your opinion and we will never see Galactus ore the Celestials destroy a universe because that isn't what they are interested in, however both of them holds the power to do so, by Kubiks own account he is beneath the average Celestial and Galactus, actually he is below quiet a few beings by his own account, Kubik when he toke Kosmos on a trip around the universe at the same time increased the power of numerous characters, Characters that cannot go around taking down a universe here and there.
Okay, It was just the choice of words that left me a little curious because to my knowlegde the Celestials that was Blasted didn't allow themselve to be destroyed, and Starlock from my point of view you are always welcome to explain anything you like.
Interesting confrontation between the Celestials and Franklin in this week's FF.
While brief, that was much better written than fraction's galactus/odin encounter.
Also, a bit of ominous foreshadowing about franklin's powers. with all the hints hickman is dropping, i won't be surprised if he intends for franklin to become a hyperstorm like character.
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it b nice to see if franklin is the key that allows celestials and galactus to continue living as ppl should know there's an deviant storyline goin and the eternals have a book coming so whatever hickman does will no doubt b changed when the eternals book hits
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May 29th, 2008 02:54 PM
That's 100% correct, save the alien part,
