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I have yet to actually attack you you know because i have been warned by ushgarak any more crap from me and i get a ban, So think twice before you think i insulted you in a manner enough to attract attention
Right so what if you can insult people, any kid can. Or are you trying to flatter me with your ego?
Go ahead and insult me, i wont even bother to retort, you will just look like a moron trying to preach out his egos by insulting a 16 year old kid about SW related matter.
Did i ever say im a good debator? Nai is one of the best and greatest debators in KMC and he is an exar kun expert, im not. I only bother reading up on revan, sidious and vader because they are the characters i like
Firstly i wasnt even debating with you, Secondly i called out your ass because you made an assumption which have yet to be established anywhere in any sources but instead from someones opinion which has not been established canon yet
And even then you resort to personal insulting but you don't realize it when you do so. You need to re-check your attitude problems dude.
I never begin to insult people on my own. There would be a few instances where I would have lost my temper but I do try to keep a check on my attitude in most of the cases.
No! I will not insult you because I don't want to alienate you.
I treated you as a friend but you went out of the line yourself. I am not preaching my egos over here but do not forget that some people are much elder then you and they should be treated with some regard. I think that there is indeed a age checker system on this forum.
You have got the potential to become one. Never under-estimate yourself in this regard. Though I often give you hints.
One important rule for good debating is to be patient and listen to others with patience and respond nicely. In some cases, you won't like replies of others but you can still pretend to be nice. That would surely boost your image to a great level and even you will be surprised.
Your choice of words are not fair in case of debating. You need to tolerate views of others and when you disagree, please do so by responding them and stating your point of view but your choice of words should be good. In this manner, debates can remain civil and people will enjoy debating with you.
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Though never under-estimate yourself in terms of intellect. Your replies to my replies in Darth Vader vs Darth Malak thread were very well though-out ones.
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Revan also achieved far more then many Sith Lords within short amount of time. Some say that his achievements as a Sith Lord are second to only Sidious.
I agree that Kun will not be fighting like a brainless-beserk but again it does depends upon who thinks smarter during the duel.
Revan also decimated any kind of opposition he faced regardless of how difficult it was.
Revan was called a prodigy after his amazing success on the Star Forge. And Revan's combat style is also a modified one, as you can notice this when he gives a slight display of his saber mastery during his confrontation against the Jedi Strike Team. Though it is said that he was also the master of Jar Kai saber dueling style.
And I don't understand that how Kun has higher Force mastery and knowledge of Sith Lore then that of Revan. Kun's knowledge is mostly based on studies of Naga Sadow and some training from Freedon Nadd.
Revan's knowledge is based on following:
1) Studying large number of sith archives, secrets and sith teachings of various Ancient Sith Lords on Korriban including that of Ajunta, Ragnos, Sadow and Tulak.
2) Exploring and learning immense amount of Sith Lore that was abundent in large number of tombs in the Malachor V.
How kun was more focused on direct confrontation than Revan ever was is beyond me.
You must keep in mind the immense level of display of power, focus and control that Revan demonstrated during his long and epic clash with Sith Forces stationed on the Star Forge.
Over-powering Kun with the Force is not impossible because he is not invincible. And Sith Lords who are among the most powerful of all times can most certainly give him a decent challenge in this regard or even over-power him through the Force, if they have more knowledge and experience.
Revan can defeat Kun, though the fight would be tough.
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You forgot exar has his amulets which fire instantly, yes while i agree revan may be slightly better in the force than kun, he isnt going to defend against amulet blasts which can burn a hole through the massasi temple and dissintigrate any living organism with ease
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I wasn't talking about tactics but about being smart. What speaks for Kun in that department is his hilarious fast learning speed. Just think about it. In the matter of weeks he apparently mastered anything Sadow had left behind in terms of Sith magic at least and started to get some skill in the alchemy department. Not more than a year after his first confrontation with the Dark Side (so to say) and apparently only six months (and a few weeks adding the DLOTS timeframe) he was capable of:
- creating entirely new species
- mutate existing species to an untold degree
- create an almost unstoppable superweapon (the Dark Reaper)
- come up with extremely powerful and exotic force techniques
- come up with his own lightsaber style and a unique weapon
And so on and so forth. Notice...all learned and produced in a timeframe of half a year. Kun's study speed must be amazing if he could get all that stuff out of Sadow's knowledge and device new use for the things he learned (aside from coming up with own stuff like his double-bladed lightsaber). That certainly means that Kun did possess a pretty high intelligence. Of course Revan likely is the better tactician (although the way Kun lured the Jedi away from Ossus and devastated the place later had some nice style) but that alone doesn't make him the smartest guy in the universe.
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1. Nobody was calling him the smartest guy in the universe, but I guess part of being a Kun fanboy is the fact that you have to be against other sith lords who might be as, or more powerful than Kun.
2, Prove that it took Kun "a matter of weeks", because as I recall, it took him a hell of a lot longer than that.
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Archievements can't be used to measure the personal skill in duels unless archieved through such fights. Sidious certainly was responsible for the death of more Jedi than any Sith before him. Yet he didn't kill all of them with his own hands.
They are both smart. Which was the entire point I had.
Kun demonstrated his own superiority by waltzing into the heart of the Republic, freeze serveral thousands of beings, use the Supreme Chancellor as living puppet and slay one of the most respected Jedi Masters in his time right in front of the frozen audience. Kun was by far the most powerful being of his era, completely uncontested at the hight of his power - the "darkest power in the Galaxy" as the narrator descripes him.
Look at what Kun does in the comics with his lightsaber(s). He's switching his main weapon hand rather often during duels and also rotates his blade rather often, resulting in a rather uncommon handling of his weapon(s). He also does that when dual wielding (obviously also Jar'kai use). The guy is quite a beast with his lightsaber, even at the very beginning of his career.
He had the complete knowledge of one of the three most powerful individuals from the "Golden Age of the Sith". A guy that studied the Dark Side for more than a century. I'd like to see what Revan had that was compareable.
I didn't see him studying much on Korriban actually. And especially not from the four Sith Lords you mention as we know what he found in their tombs.
It was a training facility run by a group of force users that was known to keep their most valueable secrets for themselves. What do you expect to find there. Let me try to find a comparison that fits: Do you think you can gain more knowledge by breaking into a scientific facility or by learning everything a single lead-scientist from that facility has to offer ?
Because he created an own deadly melee weapon with a corresponding and equally deadly style. Because he's seen to attack other force users directly with quite efficient force techniques and because he has his amulets which might dash out quite some damage if being used against a single opponent.
Really. One magic word: Game play. You really want to assume that only three out of a crew of eight would have helped Revan to fight his way through the Star Forge ? What Revan did on his own was defeating some droids, some Dark Jedi, Bastilla (who still was a Padawan) and Malak. Ok. Impressive.
Kun destroyed a Jedi that brought down Ancient Sith with a single force attack. He toyed one of the most respected Jedi Masters of the Jedi Order in his time in a duel. He tossed Jedi around as if they were ragdolls. He came up alchemical inventions that by far trump anything Revan could even have imagined ranging from temples that focus Dark Side energy over almost unstoppable superweapons like the Dark Reaper. And this is not even mentioning what he was capable of doing as a 4000 year old spirit (force choking ten force users at once almost killing them, toast another force user with force lightning, use a technique to rip the spirit of a force user out of his body).
Really...I don't see where Revan displayed knowledge or power that is compareable to that of Exar Kun.
Dude. I didn't say it's impossible. I did say it's extremely unlikely that a single person would be capable of doing it. Once more: Kun simply walked through a Sith Magic attack by Aleema Keto that was shown to instantly burn the skin / flesh of somebody hit by it down to the bone. And he also plain and simply resisted a technique used by a rather powerful Jedi Master who did bring down Ancient Sith Lords with the very same technique.
Yes. But I don't see why Revan should belong to that group as he did show nothing special in terms of lightsaber combat or force use. He is, of course, far above average in both departments - but compared to the likes of Sidious, Ragnos and Kun ? I don't think so.
How exactly ? Really.
a)
Kun has his amulets to instakill Revan. He has a load of Sith Magic attacks up his sleeve that Revan can most likely even defend himself against and this combined with an extraordinary amount of potential and a ridiculously high force defence. Revan does apparently know some of the techniques Kun also knows (and most likely can defend himself against) but Kun seems to have a far broader array of force powers useable in "direct action" against other force users.
Conclusion: Could would most likely win a force fight.
b)
In lightsaber combat we have a relative unknown (although being mentioned as prodigy) in Revan. Kun is called the "most formidable student I ever had" by a 600 year old Jedi Master who seems to have trained quite a lot of people. His movements, as depicted in the comics, seem to imply a very unconventional (and thereby night unpredictable) fighting style - even when Kun used his old weapons instead of his new style and double blade which made him even more deadly in melee combat than he was before.
That aside from wearing armor (cortosis weave as far as I recall, granting him some extra protection against lightsabers), be quite muscle packed in terms of physical strength and he seems to be quite fast looking a the fact he can draw his lightsaber, ignite it and kill two poeple with it aiming guns at him - before one of the guy is able to pull his trigger.
Conclusion: I'm quite certain that Kun would win more often than not in lightsaber combat.
Of course...Revan could possibly defeat Kun. But I don't see that happening under "normal" circumstances. Which was my entire point here. Kun's simply too good with a saber and too powerful when it comes down to a force contest. This aside from his "gimmicks" in the shape of two Sith Amulets.
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Very very close, they were both very powerful Sith Lords. Revan was wiser, i mean the strategies that he used to win the mandalorian wars and the jedi civil wars were brilliant, especily the conversions of the jedi and the sith assasin stuff. Kun managed to convert many jedi too but not as efficiantly as Revan did.
Oct 6th, 2007 09:15 AM
