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I don't think Firelord can solo Superman. Too much speed and then strength and then durability. The team could take this but it depends.

If Terrax runs interference for Firelord then the team could win via Firelords attacks. But Supes speed, agility and strength is on another level to either one of these guys, so I could see him doing a number of things to Terrax to take him out of the equation quickly and then use his speed to engage Firelord - and in a physical fight between these two Supes wins 10/10.

I say this is as a 55/45 for Superman. Terrax is the weak link and the team only wins if he can distract Superman long enough for Fire Lord to attack Supes with a definitive attack. Superman has powers that could distruct the team as well, long enough for him to take out Terrax and then handle Firelord in close quaters.


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The team wins this 10/10. Just to much raw power for superman.


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This is why I think firelord could solo superman, even surfer who has flown through the sun and also drain power from the sun couldnt take the heat that firelord produce.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=8216194

Destroying an asteroid the size of a small planet with ease.
http://img42.imagevenue.com/view.ph...605_meteorr.jpg

taking 100+ ton strength.
http://img46.imagevenue.com/view.ph...24_versust1.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/view.ph...28_versust2.jpg

Creating prisons.
http://img13.imagevenue.com/view.ph...09_thorfin6.jpg

Defeated silver surfer.
http://img142.imagevenue.com/view.p...287_flvsss8.jpg

took a beating from drax and wasnt even fighting back.
http://img136.imagevenue.com/view.p...9470_draxx3.jpg
http://img107.imagevenue.com/view.p...9579_draxx4.jpg

Destroying a planet.
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/4...l-03063-fq.html

Fighting a odin level being.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...rakismangog.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...svsfirelord.jpg

Flying from a planet across the universe to asgard in a couple of minutes.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...elordflight.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...relordspeed.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...elordspeed1.jpg


Only the first and last scans work.
Also you are not reading my posts in depth for you are missing the essential logic that I was preaching. The logic is that offensive power has no bearing on speed. Firelord can destroy the omniverse with a thought for all we care, but if someone who is faster than him pops him for a ko before he can react then all his precious power is gone down the drain. Also you are this using the faulty logic of traveling speed is equal or comparable to battle speed and reflexes. Firelord at his best don't have anywhere near the battlespeed nor reflexes to stop Superman from koing him in nanoseconds.

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Originally posted by carver9
The team wins this 10/10. Just to much raw power for superman.


More faulty reasoning. It seems you are deaf to wisdom.
All the power in the world can't make one win against an unreactible speed. Superman wins all the time because of this.

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Originally posted by carver9
This is why I think firelord could solo superman, even surfer who has flown through the sun and also drain power from the sun couldnt take the heat that firelord produce.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=8216194

Destroying an asteroid the size of a small planet with ease.
http://img42.imagevenue.com/view.ph...605_meteorr.jpg

taking 100+ ton strength.
http://img46.imagevenue.com/view.ph...24_versust1.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/view.ph...28_versust2.jpg

Creating prisons.
http://img13.imagevenue.com/view.ph...09_thorfin6.jpg

Defeated silver surfer.
http://img142.imagevenue.com/view.p...287_flvsss8.jpg

took a beating from drax and wasnt even fighting back.
http://img136.imagevenue.com/view.p...9470_draxx3.jpg
http://img107.imagevenue.com/view.p...9579_draxx4.jpg

Destroying a planet.
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/4...l-03063-fq.html

Fighting a odin level being.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...rakismangog.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...svsfirelord.jpg

Flying from a planet across the universe to asgard in a couple of minutes.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...elordflight.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...relordspeed.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...elordspeed1.jpg


Dude half those links are to pics of chics. laughing


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Originally posted by h1a8
More faulty reasoning. It seems you are deaf to wisdom.
All the power in the world can't make one win against an unreactible speed. Superman wins all the time because of this.
Its jus funny to me how you think Superman beats both of these heralds at the same time becuz you think they cant react to his speed.


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Originally posted by carver9
This is why I think firelord could solo superman, even surfer who has flown through the sun and also drain power from the sun couldnt take the heat that firelord produce.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=8216194

Destroying an asteroid the size of a small planet with ease.
http://img42.imagevenue.com/view.ph...605_meteorr.jpg

taking 100+ ton strength.
http://img46.imagevenue.com/view.ph...24_versust1.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/view.ph...28_versust2.jpg

Creating prisons.
http://img13.imagevenue.com/view.ph...09_thorfin6.jpg

Defeated silver surfer.
http://img142.imagevenue.com/view.p...287_flvsss8.jpg

took a beating from drax and wasnt even fighting back.
http://img136.imagevenue.com/view.p...9470_draxx3.jpg
http://img107.imagevenue.com/view.p...9579_draxx4.jpg

Destroying a planet.
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/4...l-03063-fq.html

Fighting a odin level being.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...rakismangog.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...svsfirelord.jpg

Flying from a planet across the universe to asgard in a couple of minutes.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...elordflight.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...relordspeed.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...elordspeed1.jpg

I only see Alicia Silverstone and one of the chicks from Sin City......


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bollocks, the links ARE working no expression.


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A low showing is such a showing that there exists at least another showing greater than it. Firelord has no higher showings in the physical durability department (not energy durability) . Thus it isn't a low showing at all. And Firelord is astronomically slower than Superman in battle speed and reflexes. He won't get even a chance to think when Superman blitzes him instantly (So the red sun energy strategy fails).



Superman has been KOed by an exploding gas station before. Firelord has stalemated Thor more than once and slugged it out with Hercules. The idea of Superman being multiple times more powerful than a Herald is ridiculous.


If you're going to bring in the idea of Superman speedblitzing him instantly, this discussion is kind of pointless. There's a difference between Superman and you with Superman's powers.

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Superman has been KOed by an exploding gas station before. Firelord has stalemated Thor more than once and slugged it out with Hercules. The idea of Superman being multiple times more powerful than a Herald is ridiculous.


If you're going to bring in the idea of Superman speedblitzing him instantly, this discussion is kind of pointless. There's a difference between Superman and you with Superman's powers.


FYI, superman kO'd by a gas station was Two upgrades ago.


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Superman has been KOed by an exploding gas station before. Firelord has stalemated Thor more than once and slugged it out with Hercules. The idea of Superman being multiple times more powerful than a Herald is ridiculous.


If you're going to bring in the idea of Superman speedblitzing him instantly, this discussion is kind of pointless. There's a difference between Superman and you with Superman's powers.
H1 is obsessed with Supermans speed. laughing


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superman loses 10/10

versus terrax alone, superman7/10
versus firelord alone, someone that produces ALL form of sunlight, firelord 6.5/10, if firelord uses his powers right.


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superman loses 10/10

versus terrax alone, superman7/10
versus firelord alone, someone that produces ALL form of sunlight, firelord 6.5/10, if firelord uses his powers right.


NO. superman against Either alone would win the majority.


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superman loses 10/10

versus terrax alone, superman7/10
versus firelord alone, someone that produces ALL form of sunlight, firelord 6.5/10, if firelord uses his powers right.
lol buttsecks!


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FYI, superman kO'd by a gas station was Two upgrades ago.




He did have the death powerup, granted.

However, Superman's durability wasn't upgraded by Mongul training. That's really a common misconception. The only combat-related benefit Superman got from the Mongul training was using several powers at the same time effectively. There was never any point in the story where he "broke mental blocks" allowing his strength and durability to shoot way up. When he was struggling against the Imperiex Probe, Mongul's advice was for him to use multiple powers at once, not to stop limiting his strength and durability.

I think people really tend to misinterpret what the Mongul training did. Superman managed to push his vision and lung capacity higher, but there are no references to other powers getting higher. There are numerous references to his skill at using several powrs at the same time improving, though.


Anyway, Superman has grunted from the effort of holding up a helicopter since the Mongul training, so I could just use that. Or there's the fact that recently his speedblitz appeared to be no more powerful than a kick from Batman.

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He did have the death powerup, granted.

However, Superman's durability wasn't upgraded by Mongul training. That's really a common misconception. The only combat-related benefit Superman got from the Mongul training was using several powers at the same time effectively. There was never any point in the story where he "broke mental blocks" allowing his strength and durability to shoot way up. When he was struggling against the Imperiex Probe, Mongul's advice was for him to use multiple powers at once, not to stop limiting his strength and durability.

I think people really tend to misinterpret what the Mongul training did. Superman managed to push his vision and lung capacity higher, but there are no references to other powers getting higher. There are numerous references to his skill at using several powrs at the same time improving, though.


Anyway, Superman has grunted from the effort of holding up a helicopter since the Mongul training, so I could just use that. Or there's the fact that recently his speedblitz appeared to be no more powerful than a kick from Batman.


That was truly sad for Superman, and For DS. But, batman was amped somehow. He's like all shadowing and intangible or something. So who knows. That was shitty writing at it's best. Superman had another power up. There was a story where he was absorbing more and more sunlight. can't remember the name of it. he had gotten too powerful. Anyways, the jist of it was that he CONSTANTLY gets more powerful as he metabolizes sun light, to increase his capacity.


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NO. superman against Either alone would win the majority.


Dont agree.


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That was truly sad for Superman, and For DS. But, batman was amped somehow. He's like all shadowing and intangible or something. So who knows. That was shitty writing at it's best. Superman had another power up. There was a story where he was absorbing more and more sunlight. can't remember the name of it. he had gotten too powerful. Anyways, the jist of it was that he CONSTANTLY gets more powerful as he metabolizes sun light, to increase his capacity.


can you show me this story and in this story I want to read where it says "Superman has gotten a powerup." or is it just something else you have made up for superman since he did state twice that he dont come close to moving the speed of light.


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