What teachers told you in school doesn't necessarily apply to comics.
The ones who are chosen by Mogo are chosen because they're compatible. People who run in shoes that are to large to fill tend to fall over a lot.
Let's make shit up to try and give Punisher better chances.
Do you really think a thread like this makes Punisher look good?
You're comparing Sinestro and Hal Jordan, being able to effectively wield a weapon they already know very well despite a restrictive factor, to someone who has the restrictive factor in place as they're trying to learn how to use the weapon at all. False analogy.
Also that he's going to try and kill people purely to get his family that were killed that he's still obsessing about doesn't strike me as letting go of his past... ergo the restrictive factor to him wielding the weapon is still in place.
Prove it. If I put one foot in front of the other i'll assume that its the same in comics unless proven otherwise. If somebody jumps in water, they get wet in comics unless proven otherwise. If somebody has trouble learning at his first attempt unless proven otherwise you cant assume that he cant catch up.
Right and since Frank isnt a member of the DCU you cant prove that hes not compatible but we do know that he has strong will and that is important to the use of the ring.
Tough im the threadstarter and I stated that he can use teh ring to conquer earth. Furthermore Sinetsro used his ring to become a dictator anyway.
First of all its not even a restrictive factor because he can get his family back.
Secondly even if it was a restrictive factor you cant assume he cant get better.
Hal or Sinestros power were not reduced by fear, so if you have willpower that does not neccesarily mean that fear can stop you if you have strong willpower.
The reason why its a restrictive factor because you are assuming that
he cant focus on the job. Hell im pretty sure Gls get into battles were they need to save love ones but they still focus their minds.
How long do you think some of the other Green Lanterns from other sectors have been Green Lanterns? How long do you think Kilowog has been one to become a trainer of Green Lanterns? People chosen by Mogo because of their attributes making them suitable Green Lanterns. How long has the sentient planet Mogo been one?
How long did it take Kyle Rayner to surpass pretty much all of them because of his innate personality and ability? With the exception of Hal, whom most consider to be equal. You either have it or you don't, and Punisher like Batman doesn't.
The Word destroys Punisher and his stupid robots.
Conquering Earth won't be quite as easy as conquering Korugar though. And Sinestro did that under the guise of protecting, upholding good, and the green lantern code. He just went too far with it eventually. That was why it was allowed for the time, because it was within the rings parameters.
Check out what happened when Hal misused the ring in Emerald Twilight.
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There two things that need to be considered:
1. Can Frank become a decent GL
2. Can Frank be as good as Hal
The fact that others have been doing it for ages implies there is a strong possibility that Frank will not be on the level of Hal or Kyle but that does not prove that he cant be a good GL.
Really? Thats not what you said when I created the Frank Castle vs Thing thread. Hell Frank only had 1 years prep here he gets 100.
Theres a good case for Frank not being as good as Hal but theres also a good case for him being a good GL.
He could conquer the earth within GL parameters he could argue that hes doing it for the good of the people as well.
Ok but why didnt he ring backfire on him when he was Parallax? Bro all that happened was that he got a holographic porjection from Oa saying he cnat use the ring and that happened when the power of the ring ran out. I also stated at the beginning of the thread that Frank has his own battery so they cant cut off his supply even if they wanted to.
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Batman with a GL ring would be able to beat Thing. That doesn't mean he'd be a good GL. Even with a century. It certainly doesn't mean being anywhere near as good as Hal or Kyle.
Thing = DCU? 100 Things = DCU?
If you realize that there's no chance in hell that he'd be as good as Hal or Kyle, or even Guy or John, or Kilowog or Salaak, (because he wouldn't) then what on Earth makes you think that adding some robots that Zatanna can turn into butterflies (not matter manipulation, magic) can manage to take out the entirety of DC Earth, which would include the likes of some of the above? As well as a fifth dimensional imp, several pantheons of Skyfathers, people who can easily stop him dead in his tracks like Johnny Sorrow, Saint of Killers, Jesse Custer (technically Vertigo but they still interact with main DC on occasion)?
i know... they have to come to terms with it to use the gl ring effectively, thats how it works... batman wont ever be a great gl until he deals with that loss...
actually, no, that's not what i'm saying at all...
which just illustrates how little you know of gl, then...
no it can't...
kyle doesnt let his pain define who he is...
being evil is not equal to having fear. ALL green lantern's have to overcome great fear, its pretty much a requirement of getting the ring... and sinestro isn't evil... he's a villain yes, but only because his views are misguided... he's like magneto in his own way...
COAST CITY. COAST. CITY.
up until about three issues ago, GL rings couldnt kill. at ALL. it was hardwired into them by the guardians. this lethal force thing is brand new.
and you have? i don't have to prove he can't, you have to prove he CAN. which you haven't done...
Its not the same. Kyle has gone through bereavement, yes, but it didnt define him the way bruce or frank let their own pain define them...
there's nothing that says the ring can't be used for evil, if used with the skill of a master, which sinestro us...
because he's HAL FRICKIN JORDAN. THE GREATEST GREEN LANTERN WHO EVER LIVED.
why would it be? the guardians said it can be used for that... but everyone using the rings now was still recruited the exact same way... they all had the ability to overcome great fear, they were all chosen by mogo... they were GL's before the change, and they'll be GL's if it changes back...
okay but the scenario for Frank says that he gets his family back. that's a hellova motivation right there. also frank has ignored the whole family plead thing in the past when Micro kidnapped him in MAX. he also ignored it all when the angels showed him paradise and his family after Punisher: purgatory.....he was able to live with it even then.
it goes deeper than that though... why is he the punisher? what drove him to be that guy? hal lost his father, but he still became a pilot, kyle lost his girlfriends, but he didnt let it stop him being who he was, guy gardner, john stewart, kilowog lost his entire planet, alot of gl's have experienced loss, but they didnt let it take over their lives...
Even in the scans you provided showed that Batman had limited control (got rid of the bats that were driving him nuts) He doesnt even need to let go of it it would just take him longer. It could dman well be argued that he could use the fear to work for him. Hell the reason why the image stopped projecting was because Batman didnt want to see it anymore. "I dont want to".
Furthermore why are these people GLs in the firstplace? You dont think that the fact that Kilowog lost his planet and stopping that from happening again is part of what motivates him?
Last edited by Deadline on Mar 11th, 2008 at 04:18 PM
Thanks for admitting that you're a biased moron. Your opinion bears no weight in this thread.
We also know that a strong will isn't nearly enough. Ollie has a strong will. Batman has a far stronger will than the Punisher. Neither'd make very good lanterns.
1. Define decent. Would he, eventually, be a low-mid-tier? Sure. He'd never even have the likes of Hal or Kyle in his sights.
2. See above. He'd never be a quarter as formidable as Jordan.
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