Shes far more powerful than him so that could never happen.
Even if it did for arguments sake, shes sentient mutable energy. She could be used as an energy source and just come out the other end just fine and continue the fight.
Hes an organic humanoid saturated with cosmic energy. His armor keeps his power in check. He can however transform into an energy form.
Hyperstorm was tapped into an unlimited power source, but the reason why Galactus was able to beat him was because Galactus operates on a higher level. Hyperstorm may have access to unlimited amounts of energy, however the amount of that energy he can output at any one time is comparatively limited, or at least less than Galactus' output levels.
On top of that Hyper might have access to an unlimited energy source however he is still human and the strength of his human body and his stamina all affect both the amount of that energy he can use and the duration he can use it for.
Galactus was more powerful therefore he overpowered Hyperion and used him as his personal energy reserve.
The Celestial comment is just your subjective opinon. List the characters Exitar (and Exitar alone) has fought close to Galactus' power.
Not entirely a complete picture of Galactus. He merged with the Sentience of the Universe, which is the previous Eternity. Naturally, he does not embody the sum totality of existence; that's current Eternity's role. Galactus does however, represent "the metamorphosed embodiment of a cosmos." I'm at work so I don't have the proper scan with me. So he does not embody a concept in the current 616 universe. However, he does carry the previous universe's embodiment with him, as they are one and the same being. So to say he embodies nothing is not entirely accurate.
Faulty logic. Being attached to a limitless energy source doesn't equate victory. You can be a boxer with the highest stamina out of all competitors, but you get any combinations of a cross or an uppercut or hook, all the stamina in the world is not going to prevent you from collapsing. Rachael was taking shots from a severely weakened Galactus, she even acknowledged this. There's nothing to take from this aside from the fact that the PF can defeat a weakened Galactus. That's not an impressive feat. The fantastic four, avengers, alpha flight have done the same exact thing. The common plot device: Galactus was weak due to his hunger. Like it or not, those are the facts. And unlike the FF, the avengers, and Alpha Flight, who managed to drive Galactus away from consuming their worlds, the PF actually got "defeated" by Galactus dropping knowledge on her. He ate the world she was trying to prevent him from eating simply by driving her away by playing mind games with her.
why bring this up? It's a what if and is irrelevant. Galactus' tech can erase the actual Phoenix Force from existance, yet that's not relevant to the discussion at hand.
Subjective opion aside...it's utterly speculative of you to say "Galactus can eat her, and she'll still live and rise up from his cosmic poop and continue the fight"
Again, this is not the truth. The Power Cosmic dictates the form that Galactus takes, and indeed any and all "biological" functions his form may perform. To say he is an organic is to be "blinded by your own arrogance." Not me stating it, but Thanos actually states that exact phrase to Annihilus when Annihilus asks him about Galactus' "biological nature". Again I''m at work so I dont have the scan but will upload it later.
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It is my opinion. And it is based on what ive read on panel. It has not conclusively been proven and im open to being shown the error of my ways. However there are no conclusive on panel statements so you are unable to do this.
According to current continuity Galan was transformed by the energies of creation to make Galactus. There is a difference between embodying a universal concept and physically containing cosmic energies.
Galactus is not a concept. He is a physical being that contains cosmic energies. The abstracts are concepts who manifest on the physical plane through M Bodies. We are debating here whether Galactus is an embodiment of a concept in the same fashion. He is conclusively not therefore we dont need to dwell on this point any longer.
Showing me a scan saying Galactus embodies(as in contains derived from the previous universe) is completely missing the point.
Not faulty at all. Not only has Phoenix been shown to operate at higher levels and be capable of greater feats, but on top of that her very nature (e.g the point that she is hooked up to an unlimited energy source) means that she would take him out with no trouble regardless of whether he had just fed or not.
The Phoenix is the sentient energies of the Big Bang, the very life force of reality. Galactus is a planet eater whose biggest feat is blowing up 3 solar systems. Nice. Not top tier.
I assumed that knowing that Phoenix has better feats, you would look at this point regarding the Phoenix's comparatively unlimited energies and then put two and two together. I didnt realise i would have to join up all the dots for you.
If you'd read the thread you'd see that this incident was actually brought up by another poster therefore i responded.
Not in the slightest. And you would realise this if you actually knew what the Phoenix is. The Phoenix is nothing but the sentient energies of creation.
"Galactus was transformed by the energies of creation itself. Call it the Big Bang, or the Phoenix Force, or what have you. "
Its power by various degrees of separation is used by all beings native to 616. Energy cannot be destroyed, only transferred and the Phoenix is the prime energy of the universe.
Its avatar can and has been used to power machinery and it just came out the other end and continued as normal.
Thats why the bio says it is the immortal, indestructible and mutable manifestation of the prime universal life force. It cannot be truly destroyed that is its nature like its namesake.
Regardless, Galactus is a physical being, the point has been stated time and time again. Him embodying as in containing energies derived from the previous reality is not the same as embodying a concept as the abstracts do. He is not a concept, he is a physical being therefore he is not an Abstract.
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No, the point was to explain greater overall context. Blanket statements like "he embodies nothing" don't convey an accurate description. He embodies no concept because he already has the emobodiment of the previous one contained in him. If you want to ignore that, that's your choice. I'm making the full context available for others to pick up. There are people posting in this thread who have asked questions regarding Galactus. You gave incomplete or flat out false responses. My reply is as much to you as the other people who wondered the same, and only got your blanket statement, and took that as truth.
This is debatable at best. I don't even need to take a stance of me debating you, the whole topic of whether Phoenix or Galactus has better feats is rife with disagreement. You interpret it one way, I interpret another. There's a whole bunch of threads that can be resurrected concerning his feats vs. hers. And you again say "she has an unlimited power source so therefore she wins" faulty logic.
Galactus is sentient universe that existed prior to the big bang, and prior to the current reality. Phoenix is just a flaming bird who got shattered by a common cosmic occurence: an event horizon. Nice. Not top tier. Shall we go another round?
Assumption is the mother of all fukc ups. You think you "join up all the dots" for people who reject your imposition of belief...i.e. you're going to claim that you need to illustrate something to me, because I refuse to take your interpretations (your assumptions, really) as truth, over my own personal thoughts and logic? LAUGHABLE.
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even if PF survives being fed on by G this only mean stalemate not victory for PF
if G can feed on PF and if this dont weaken PF: then as long as PF is fighting, G can fight : PF will have unlimited energy but so will G (cuz PF will be providin G with all the energy he needs to fight her )
In the context of what we the posters in this thread were talking about prior to your involvement(i.e Whether or not Galactus embodies a concept in the same fashion as Eternity and the abstracts) then my statement that he embodys nothing is completely acceptable. Even more so when posted alongside that statement was a scan with the exact same statement being made on panel.
What youre doing is wading in here and posting information which isnt relevant to the point being discussed. We were talking about whether or not Galactus is an abstract. He doesnt embody a concept he merely contains cosmic energies. Therefore i was correct. You decided to take issue with the term "embodies" which was a waste of effort given the context the word was being used within.
The point that Phoenix has greater feats than Galactus is not debatable in the slightest. When Galactus does more than blowing up 3 solar systems then we can have this discussion.
Being the sentient energies of creation the very same ones which powered Galactus in the first place makes this debate quite redundant.
Galactus is not the sentient previous universe. Galactus merely merged with the essence of the previous universe and was transformed within the Cosmic Egg. By current continuity he was transformed by the energies of Phoenix. You could never go all the way mate.
Your personal thoughts and logic amount to ignoring current continuity because it doesnt paint your favourite character(and the star of your sig) in as good a light as outdated continuity. Your refusal to hear in this post anything but a repetition of your own opinion has resulted in you barging in here and trying to argue about something that no one was talking about in the first place
Your personal thoughts and logic?
HILARIOUS.
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Nope because he would need to be powerful enough to wrest control of the energy from the Phoenix in the first place. He isnt so its not a feasible hypothetical attack.
just cuz a lake is too big dont mean u cant drink from it
anyway when wuz Galactus shown on panel NOT able to drain energy from somethin? like, when did he try to feed on someone but was "blocked" from doing it? never happen on panel afaik
PS. IMO its possible PF > G but im just sayin the margin cant be THAT big
The Phoenix is the sentient energies of the Big Bang. As confirmed by Reed Richards it was these very same energies that made Galan transform into Galactus. It is more powerful than Galactus and has a greater role. For example Bishop can absorb and rechannel energy from various sources, however it is a given that he would not be able to wrest control of the energies of someone like the Silver Surfer or Odin who have been shown on panel to be more powerful than he is. Its as simple as that.
whoa wait one : bishop can ABSORB energy but thats not the same thing
that mean he can absorb energy attack (like a sponge or something) so that it dont damage him
its a form of defense
but galactus can DRAIN energy (like vacuum cleaner ^^)
its a form of attack
thats why i askd if galactus is shown (or stated) on panel that he cant drain energy from someone/something
maybe he cant with PF but fact is we dont know
It was just an example. The characters featured arent important its the point behind it. Just like you wouldnt expect Silver Surfer to be able to wrest control of Galactus energies against his will because of the comparative power levels, the same stands for Galactus vs Phoenix.
Because of Phoenixes greater feats and the fact that it was her energies that made Galactus who he is in the first place, it is a given that he wouldnt be able to overpower her and take control of her own power. Thats all that needs to be said.
SS can drain energy from other sources. All the heralds can to my knowledge.
You can turn it the other way around and say that Phoenix uses those same energies herself they are after all a part of her being and she has done more impressive things with her power. So that plus her comparatively unlimited nature and total indestructibility means that its a given that she can beat someone on Galactus' level.
The Fury never defeated Jaspers through a greater output of power. He exploited his one weakness which was his power is dependant on reality and without reality to mould he is powerless.
Youre not proposing that Galactus is going to win by him him exploiting a weakness. Youre talking about him taking her on directly in an energy battle. Fury never won against Jaspers in that method so thats not a good example.
Scathan is not greater than Eternity conclusively. Thats just a conclusion some forum members have jumped to because Scathan took out Protege. When did Eternity fight Protege and lose? After claiming to have the power of TOAA who is supposed to be the supreme being in Marvel when did Protege actually demonstrate this power?
He claimed to have TOAA's power and yet he looked like LT. Theres a contradiction for you. Another one is that he claimed to be the supreme being and yet got soundly defeated by a Celestial?
Protege is unproven, therefore i wouldnt follow the crowd and jump to any conclusions about Scathans power level.
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