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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This is where the debate turns to shit. For all we know, Phrik metal is, as I just said, uber compared to Adamantium.

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Originally posted by Robtard
I'm calling anyone who refuses to apply logic a SW fanboy.

We could argue all day which "virtually indestructible" metal is stronger and it would be useless, but at the end of the day, they're both indestructible and we know a lightsabre can't cut through one, because of that indestructible property. So just apply logic.

This whole this-universe/that-universe thing is nothing more than a cop-out.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Is Phrik "virtually indestructible"?

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Originally posted by snoopdogg
So you're 100% sure that a lightsaber cannot cut adamantium because it cannot cut a metal from a more advanced civilization?

That's your logic?

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I dunno, is it?

Adamantium is "virtually indestructible" to things in this universe, not the SW universe.

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Originally posted by snoopdogg
So just because adamantium is labeled "virtually" indesctrutable that automatically means it's equal to metal in Star Wars with the same advertisement?

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Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
As far as the movie goes the Adamentium is basically indestructible in Earth standards. Lightsabers are weapons that pretty much are recognize by countless worlds as a powerful tool.

Do the math.

One miserable Earth planet Metallurgy vs. the Metallurgy of Thousands of planets in a galaxy far far away.

Lightsabers all the way.

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Originally posted by snoopdogg
I agree. Adamantium operates on a much smaller playing field.

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Originally posted by KingD19
I guess we accept your concession RJ.

And Xanatos, talking about realism in a universe where guys wave glow sticks and use psychokinetic powers because of tiny organisms, or a universe where guys turn into metal and can survive having liquid metal bonded to their skeleton is just ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here's a question. If lightsabers have no effect on Phrik metal in the SW universe, what does? I mean what will destroy Phrik metal in the SW universe?

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

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Originally posted by Robtard

Beskar (Mandalorian iron) is the best comparable example to adamantium. It's tough simply because of it's strength.

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Originally posted by Robtard

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, so answer?

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Originally posted by dadudemon
But, by my estimates, if cortosis has limited resistance to adamantium, and is no where as awesomely indestructible as adamantium, there's not way in hell that a lightsaber is cutting through adamantium.


But, I offered some other logic, such as sublimation. The heat from the sword, even when acknowledging the uber crystalline structure of adamantium, should cause increased sublimation. No matter what, it would sublimate. Unless someone has a canon source for adamantium not sublimating, it should greatly speed up the sublimation process, when it makes contact. However, it should still be much too slow to do anything beyond the microscopic level. On top of this, adamantium would be just as susceptible to proton decay as any other matter is. So, eventually, it would fall apart and turn into quarks and other tiny exotic matter.

There was also Mandalorian Iron that was quite resistant to lightsabers. I still say adamantium is stronger than even that.


Knowing this, it's unreasonable to think that a lightsaber can cut through adamantium.


msmwrt

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Originally posted by dadudemon
It's not speculation when we have a metal from the Star Wars universe that is almost the equivalent of adamantium, but not quite as strong, and it resists light sabers really well.

Adamantium > mandalorian iron in durability and strength.


mandalorian iron can resist a lightsaber's hot blade.


therefore,


adamantium can resist a lightsaber's hot blade.

They seemed to resist the hot optic blast from Weapon XI, just fine. Didn't change them at all. The optic blast seems to cut through many feet of reinforced concrete, very very quickly. (Almost instantly.) That puts it on par or greater than a lightsaber's ability to cut. We see the limit of the light saber being those blast doors that were not nearly as thick as the cooling tower, and it was taking quite a bit of effort to cut through them.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
[Even if} we don't have a way to compare that two, logically, we [can]use Star Wars EU, which is not contradictory to movie canon.

On top of this, if we do not, we still have the blast doors from Ep1 which are comparable to the blast doors from Wolverine Orgins. Adamantium also showed extreme resistance to heat.


That alone would be more than enough to show adamantium versus a lightsaber. Wolverine's adamantium should resist a lightsaber, no problem. In fact, it would fair better than even the EU materials that are resistance.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed.

But regular blast door metal is shown resisting it.

I've covered this in vivid detail. There's no debate anymore on whether or not a lightsaber can cut through adamantium. Origins provides us with more than enough information to finally say, 100%, that it cannot. Before that, we had the EU. In cases of versus matches involving Star Wars, if something isn't known for sure, but is explained in the EU AND the EU doesn't contradict the movies, they are permissible. For example, there are metals in the EU that are not as strong as adamantium but they can resist a lightsaber, some quite well.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
It is arguable that Phrik is the hardest. It is an ore where as adamantium is a specially designed alloy made with an extremely complex process that is almost impossible to recreate.

Simple ore that can be mined versus highly technologically advanced metal that is almost impossible to create.

hmm


Let's see..


Ah. Yes. Adamantium is superior, technological, to both Phrik and Mandalorian iron.

In addition, it is superior to it in durability, strength, almost completely resistant to sublimation, heat resistant, and an extremely small amount of it exists.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
And, in the movie, they made adamantium, incorrectly so, penetrate-able by adamantium. So, real adamantium would have bounced off of itself.[they just effed up in the movie]

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Originally posted by dadudemon
In fact, it has already been shown how adamantium is resistant to an energy-heat type attacks that are superior to the "cutting" ability of a lightsaber.

A lightsaber's cutting ability comes from its extreme heat. The blade is plasma, contained in a field.


We've already seen how Adamantium works against a super heated energy, which, by the way, would have to be much hotter than a lightsaber blade in order to accopmlish what it did. It works just fine.




Can adamantium resist the temperature of a lightsaber? Check.

Was adamantium ever cut by anything superior to the cutting ability of a lightsaber, such as Weapon XI's optic blast? Nope. Not even close.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Thor, one of the most powerful beings in the universe, a god, and someone who can lift a million million million million+ tons of weight, somehow managed to barely be able to dent Adamantium, and this remarkeably makes adamantium able to be cut by a hot plasma blade?

This is the same Thor whose punch's shockwave almost destroyed an entire planet. Not even the punch itself. The shockwave.

You know, the same Thor that is a god that is nearly omnipotent, being about to destroy Captain America's shield, which is stronger than true adamantium, etc.

That's some very faulty logic.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
No it's not. There never was an argument even before the movies. However, since Origins, we now have better than perfect evidence that a lightsaber cannot cut through adamantium.

Just because you guys say that it can't be proven or that we don't have evidence, doesn't mean evidence doesn't exist.

No matter how many times your repeat that it's not known, it still doesn't change the fact that it is no longer debatable. Using the EU, it wasn't debatable. Now that we have Origins, it's no longer debatable for the movies.

There is no debate. A lightsaber cannot cut through true adamantium.

If you guys can debunk the already impeccable logic I've presented by proving that it can cut through adamantium, with movie canon sources, be my guest. (You can't, which is why I offered. A lightsaber cannot cut through adamantium, going by movie feats. Hell, going by movie feats, a lightsaber can barely cut through thick metal.)

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Originally posted by dadudemon
A lightsaber is a plasma blade. Really hot. XI's optic blast has both an immense kinetic energy and enormous heat that go with it. Both of which exceed a lightsaber. (No user can or has used a force great enough to equal the force XI's optic blast showed. Nor has a lightsaber shown to instantly vaporize 10+feet of concrete, instantly.)

Since we know what a lightsaber's cutting power is, extreme heat in a force field, we can adaquately measure against other forms of extreme heat against a lightsaber. (Yes, I'm talking heat of vaporization....physics.)

Basically, you don't have to do any thinking at all, RJ. A lightsaber cannot cut adamantium because adamantium can withstand something hotter than a lightsaber, no problem, and it can withstand a force much greater than any lightsaber wielding user could employ.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
However Sci Fi that optic blast is, we can still observe it's effects: namely, kinetic punch, and heat.

The blast seems to be very hot when it hits something, as evidence by the "burnt" glowing edges of everything it punches a hole through, and Wolverine's claws started to heat up.

On top of this, it is show packing a kinetic punch against all objects it hits, most specifically, Sabertooth on more than one occasion.

The comic book has that optic blast being more of a kinetic punch type of energy blast. Personally, the movie version has it better.

Scott gets that blast: he's pulling it from another universe. Weird. It confuses me, but Scott is one of my fav characters, so I let weird stuff like that slide.