Uhm, he did go toe to toe with Surtur. He had no chance of winning but he took him on directly when all seemed lost. You can laugh all you want but it all happened in a Thor comic so laugh yourself silly.
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of course they grew in size. they were TINY to begin with.
they'd been depowered iirc and loki had promised to return their powers to them. the cold did just that.
actually, they never stated that, nor did they continue to grow as the story went on. one said that he never felt so powerful. guess that could mean he was amped, though as easy to say that he'd been powerless moments before and was perhaps overstating things. if he WAS amped, there's no way to gauge the amount anyway.
again, of course. but that doesn't imply they were amped. haven't ever seen cold actually amp a frost giant before, it's simply their preferred environment. and again, even assuming for a moment they WERE, no way to adequately gauge how much they were amped.
so, show some scans of loki casting something in direct combat that would clearly ko superman.
he wouldn't have to catch his sword. he could dodge or easily catch his arm. my example wasn't meant to imply he could 'catch the sword.' rather the idea that he could use his hand and stop a magic weapon speaks to a certain degree to his 'vulnerability' to magic which IS the issue.
actually, i know loki very well, which is precisely why i say he's being overrated. can he win some? i already said yes. a majority? not imo.
be my guest. kris did update it, but again, it's not very impressive.
"I've never felt so strong, so full of power!" =/= "I feel restored to my former might!" To be frank, that's an exceptionally weak rationale.Scans have been shown. He's kicked the crap out of the Thor Corps. He's turned Bor into snow. You want to ignore those, I'll find some more. Superman did not ingest Etrigan's magic or hellfire or whatever: Him having to resort to catching his arm punctuates his "vulnerability" to magic. It doesn't mitigate it.
If Bor (being a Skyfather and all) was unable to prevent Loki from turning him into snow, I can't see someone who's shown time and time again to be at a disadvantage against magic faring better.
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so some no-name, depowered frost giant regains his power and says he's never felt so strong, so all of them are amped somehow? what you're saying if that frost giants can literally be amped by cold? because that's news to me. and so how much more powerful was he exactly? did they continue to grow and get more powerful? because that's what you said they did--"literally stated they were becoming more powerful".
some loki plucked from a timestream somewhere. his first blast didn't ko anyone and he used an illusion to sneak attack bill, who in the same arc had the holy crap kicked out of him by skurge. not the best arc to showcase bill i guess. and loki v masterson? yeah, i'd give that battle to loki too . . .
cool. pis. either that or you think he beats any old skyfather. your choice i suppose. hard to figure though why in all the times he's battled and lost to thor he never simply turned HIM to snow . . . and considering he needed to use twilight's power to turn thor into a FROG, i'd think the evidence FOR pis outweighs the evidence against.
the blast that was shown would never HIT kal. and yeah, i choose to ignore the snow feat as an aberration.
i'm giddy with anticipation.
"you've no strength o'er my magical tool". it was etrigan's magic. no where did i ever say it was hellfire. he inhaled it and contained it, which is exactly what i said. he's also battled etrigan several times adn managed to withstand his hellfire and continue to battle.
"resort" to catching his arm? black adam wouldn't try and catch his magic blade with his hand either. he vulnerable to magic too?
s'cool, cuz i don't find your own any more convincing.
the thread is all right, loki just doesn't have many great feats to his name.
loki has no counter to kal's speed and he can be pummeled physically. all kal needs to do is get in close and loki isn't casting anything. supes can also go intangible and attack from long range. if loki had any kind of battles against anyone like kal, i may change my mind. as it stands, supes still takes a majority imo.
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Thanos obviously has defenses which Superman clearly doesn't have against mystical forces. Regardless of how you feel about Odin and Thanos and who would beat who eventually, the fact that Thanos was able to take a prolonged beating from Odin (who I believe was still not going all out) shows that he can take almost anything Loki can throw at him, which is altogether irrelevant as Thanos > Loki and Superman alike.
The point is, Bor, who is a Skyfather being, a god and Lord of Asgard, had his natural defenses (as Loki attacked before Bor could throw up a defense against his spell, once again, something that Superman clearly doesn't have to begin with) overwhelmed by Loki's magic. The question is how does someone who can't summon a force field/shield or doesn't possess an inborne resistance to magic like a god and in fact shows to have problems with magic regularly fare better against said spell than Bor?
And as far as the Bor/snow showing goes, it's not PIS as it was clearly explained in detail how and why said spell worked. Loki caught him off guard, after a battle, and knowing that Bor truly thought himself to be invincible, took advantage of Bor with his lowered defenses. He had no reason to have said defenses up because no typical Frost Giant could cast magic that would even remotely threaten him.
I think it's common sense that if Bor was ready and had said defenses ready, Loki wouldn't stand a chance.
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i don't think he needs to fare better. i've already said i acknowledge the feat as purely pis.
so, you think he can change bor into snow, but NOT thanos? what about someone like superboy prime? he has no force fields? and if thanos didn't have a force field up loki transmutes him? where are you drawing the line? thor has no force fields and that is NOT the kind of spell mjolnor will absorb. loki beats thor 10/10?
and superman has taken uber amounts of punishment too, much more than i've seen loki dish out.
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